Somebody, please stake this thing already! I'm sorry but as much as I am an ED fan, I find this series ruined by the loud metallic clanges every few minutes as the leaden weight of the script crashes to the ground. Dust it already!

[ edited by catalyst2 on 2004-10-12 12:49 ]

catalyst2 | October 12, 14:42 CET

I doubt the WB will be picking this up anyway. I think Fox is hanging on in case some of their new shows bomb and they need TC as a filler. Must be frustrating for the cast and crew to be held in limbo like that.

[ edited by Madhatter on 2004-10-12 20:13 ]

Madhatter | October 12, 14:56 CET

Does anyone really care anymore? ;)

Willowy | October 12, 17:06 CET

"Sometimes dead is better."

prufrock | October 12, 17:18 CET

So they're fighting to keep this on air but let Firefly go at the drop of a hat?

I gave it a chance, I really did. But the leaden writing, the endless "Oops I've smashed my bedside photo" and "Oops a waiter has just dropped a tray" cliches used to say "HEY! DUMB VIEWER! IT'S THE SAME DAY AGAIN!" and then adding flashbacks of things that we saw fifteen minutes earlier 'cos we're so stupid we couldn't possibly remember it ourselves...

I just couldn't take it anymore and gave up after about ten episodes.

zz9 | October 12, 17:20 CET

zz9 - I can only stand back in awe - you lasted a whole TEN!! I think i lasted five, maybe six and then realised I was sitting there wondering when someone would put me out of my misery!

catalyst2 | October 12, 17:38 CET

Fox are being greedy here, pretty much cancelling the show, but keeping the cast and crew in a position where they can't really go out and find new jobs.

Don't understand the fight, (though I find it mildly entertaining) it is not a good show, the writings poor and honestly (I always thought this) how long can a show like this expect to go on for, how many times can Tru suddenly realise at the last minute that she's stopped the wrong person, only to run across town and stop it just in time? The one thing that really annoyed me about the show was when the writers thought they were being so clever, that the show required a "previously" half way through the episode.

Let it die.

Ghost Spike | October 12, 17:46 CET

I don't understand why everyone hates this show. I agree, when I watched it toward the beginning, it was pretty bad, but I started watching again toward the end, after Jason Priestley joined the cast, and especially with the last few episodes, it's gotten pretty good. With Jane Espenson on board, I was really looking forward to S2. Eliza isn't going to be in a Faith series any time soon, especially if the Firefly movie does well, Joss will probably start work on a sequel. If it does come back, give it a chance--it's not as bad as you guys are making it. It's better than a lot of the other crap that's on tv.

trekkerj | October 12, 18:22 CET

I gave it a chance, I really did. But the leaden writing, the endless "Oops I've smashed my bedside photo" and "Oops a waiter has just dropped a tray" cliches used to say "HEY! DUMB VIEWER! IT'S THE SAME DAY AGAIN!" and then adding flashbacks of things that we saw fifteen minutes earlier 'cos we're so stupid we couldn't possibly remember it ourselves...


Well, when I see what IS on the air and considered wildly popular, I'm surprised the average viewer can tie their shoes! I think they realize what the average tv viewer is, and folks like us just feel insulted.

Rogue Slayer | October 12, 19:21 CET

Oh Thank God, I was trying to remain nuetral, but honestly, i really don't like this show

Apocalypse | October 12, 20:02 CET

I don't like it much either. I only watched for Eliza. It was repetitve, superficial and slow. And really even with Jack added at the end, they pretty much scrapped 90% of the story and character possibillities his addition brought. I agree there's many shows out there that I would cancel before Tru, but I still can't care anymore.

I feel sorry for Eliza and the rest of the people working on it, and I'd prefer to see Eliza on the tube on a weekly basis even in a mediocre show, but I'm afraid that part of me is thinking: pull the plug already. Let's see what Eliza can do next.

EdDantes | October 12, 21:26 CET

zz9 - I can only stand back in awe - you lasted a whole TEN!! I think i lasted five
Well, the last five were with the volume turned off and fast forwarding to the shots of Eliza running....

Well, when I see what IS on the air and considered wildly popular, I'm surprised the average viewer can tie their shoes! I think they realize what the average tv viewer is, and folks like us just feel insulted.
Which makes me wonder what Eliza saw in it. She must have been used to getting Buffy scripts, you'd think she would have seen this stuff and thought "What is this crap?" I guess a lot of the things I dislike were production decisions and not in the script.

The girls hot and she can act. If De Niro was happy to have her play a key role oposite him in a movie that must say something!

I'd love a Faith show, but playing against type. Drop the "Bad Girl On A Motorbike" cliche, have her working with the new council and trying to fit in and work on a 'normal' enviroment. Much more interesting for Faiths loner character.

zz9 | October 12, 21:39 CET

"I don't understand why everyone hates this show"

Because it's not a Faith show

garda39 | October 12, 22:23 CET

Excellent point, Rogue Slayer. I think the tide maybe slowly changing to our favor. I noticed the ratings are decreasing for the reality shows and interest in shows such as 'Lost' are promising. We may have another season or two to wait, but I hope Joss will soon feel the time is right to return to TV.

Madhatter | October 12, 22:27 CET

"I don't understand why everyone hates this show"

Because it's not a Faith show

I'd have to disagree. That certainly may be part of the reason, but the show itself is low-quality. Certainly worthy of hatred all on its own. And keep in mind, we're all Whedon fans. We have a certain expectation of quality from tv now, and it's hard to find things that fit the bill. So even mediocre shows can seem really putrid.

Rogue Slayer | October 12, 22:41 CET

This tidbit from Matt Roush at TV Guide caught my eye the other day:

"Fox shut down production of Tru Calling after six episodes into its second season (which, from a few scripts I had been leaked, looked like a significant improvement on the first). These episodes may yet air in a different time period (I'm guessing on Fridays at some point), but unless these last few episodes get some sort of ratings uptick and media attention, Tru is headed for the morgue without a Tru-like reprieve. This is very puzzling, especially in light of Fox's recent prime-time woes (you can barely even call it a network right now, until it gets past the baseball albatross)".

Simon | October 12, 22:42 CET

Thanks for that info, Simon. Guess the question is now, will these six episodes even air?

Madhatter | October 12, 23:08 CET

See, I find that to be kinda sad, but typical. The writing improves and Fox decides to let it die. What else is new?

I actually enjoyed Tru Calling. More so towards the end when it got to be a tiny bit less predictable. I'd hate to see this show get canceled, but hey, it is picked up by the WB let it replace The Mountain!! Sorry James, but what a ridiculous show.

lekiare | October 13, 01:06 CET

I don't dislike the show because it's not Faith - I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd love a Faith series, but that wouldn't make me dislike Tru Calling. If anything I went into Tru Calling badly wanting to like it. It's Eliza Dushku, who I'm a fan of, it's genre TV, which I'm a fan of, and it came about at a time when damn near every show I liked was being cancelled. I really wanted this to be good.

However, after just three episodes I was beginning to wonder how they were going to stop it from becoming repetitive and, sadly, they never really succeeded for me. Aside from the insane plot twists they threw in there the shows 'high concept' just wasn't strong enough to keep me watching, and, er, neither was Eliza's high concept, if you get my meaning. I won't shed a tear if this is cancelled, but I feel sorry for those working on it.

Gonnas | October 13, 01:09 CET

I'll admit I really only started wathcing because Eliza was in it, but after giving it enough chances I actually started to kind of like the show. Its definetly no Buffy and I understand that it sucks balls to see shows like "Firefly" and "Wonderfalls" (Both very good shows that had the potential to go even further...Damn fox!), but this is what Fox wanted to keep, and given the season finale was actually very good (For TC anyway). I was really hoping that this show would come back in S2 and totally redeem itself, however, FOX is still FOX and I dont know what they think they're doing. If this is the kind of crap they're going to pull, then they might as well let the show die. Spare the fans and let the cast and crew find work elsewhere. Besides, i really think Joss would still be considering that Faith spin-off. He is busy with Serenity, but TV is where he really started to shine, and let's face it he's good at it. I'd rather see him create more shows/spin-offs that will go on for 22 episodes a season, than a 2 hour movie.

Gio | October 13, 02:24 CET

I would love to see faith the vampire slayer, but this show is not that bad the first eps. are not to good but the last ones are really good.

Bryan | October 13, 02:42 CET

"but the show itself is low-quality."

I've seen other shows being mentioned as low quality but I haven't seen the same level of hatred of them

garda39 | October 13, 04:11 CET

I will say this for Tru Calling: I actually enjoyed watching it because of how bad it was. It was guaranteed that I would have a couple of laughs every episode because of the ridiculous dialogue, acting, and writing. This is a hell of a lot more than I can say for Charmed which I simply cannot stand to watch.

And I'm not really all that interested in a Faith show either. The only spinoff idea that genuinely interests me is Ripper and it looks like that will probably never happen. I would just like to see Dushku pick better projects to do because based on this show, Wrong Turn, Soul Survivors, and The New Guy she needs some help in that area.

prufrock | October 13, 04:35 CET

Sorry to return to this again but coincidentally I DID just watch the episode where Jack was introduced - CLANG! just like your mother CLANG! just like your mother CLANG! CLANG!

[ edited by catalyst2 on 2004-10-13 03:30 ]

catalyst2 | October 13, 04:54 CET

"Sorry to return to this again but coincidentally I DID just watch the episode where Jack was introduced - CLANG! just like your mother CLANG! just like your mother CLANG! CLANG!"

But...but....how else am I supposed to know those are shocking, emotional moments? I need a loud clang to tell me so!

(Damn forgot what the sarcasm font was!)

EdDantes | October 13, 10:44 CET