Great catch, chickenbird!

Twinning two of my great loves, Buffy and Gaiman, just makes me all melty . . . Must remember to check Neil's site more often.

BTW: Since I don't really watch TV, I was unaware that Neil had some sort of thing going with Fox. From the link, it looks as though he presents little intros to movies. Anyone have any more details?

SoddingNancyTribe | October 15, 23:27 CET

Cool! I've been wondering what Neil thought of Buffy. Nice catch indeed. And I regularly check his blog, but I hadn't seen this yet.

Ah, SNT, I forgot you were a Gaimanite too. Still going good with the Gaiman-love? (Never ceases to be funny!)

EdDantes | October 15, 23:31 CET

I love that Gaiman is a fan of Buffy. It's not surprising but it is indeed melty-making to get confirmation.

phlebotinin | October 15, 23:34 CET

Does anyone know what Joss thinks of Gaiman's work?

phlebotinin | October 15, 23:41 CET

I always wondered if he watched Buffy. I read the hardcover of 1602 last week and loved it so he's been in my mind of late.

Now if I can find out what Stephen King and Clive Barker think of the show, I'll be a very happy man.

Simon | October 15, 23:43 CET

Oh yeah, EdD, I'm still a hard-core Gaiman-type lover. snigger.

I seriously considered registering for the Sandman
Fiddler's Green convention in November in Minneapolis, but (a) I can't take the time off, (b) I don't have the money, and (c) the program seemed a little too, um, *serious* for the likes of me. Anyone here going or thinking of going?

[ edited by SoddingNancyTribe on 2004-10-16 01:39 ]

SoddingNancyTribe | October 15, 23:46 CET

yay! i've always wondered why the two of them (whedon and gaiman) don't mention each other much. their work has a LOT in common, and they're both champions of comic books, and well, they're both just brilliant.

orphea | October 16, 00:41 CET

Funny, I have it too that I'm curious what my favorite creators think of each other. Not sure why.

Hasn't Stephen King said something about Buffy once? Don't remember. But I can certainly see him like it. He's a big fan of similar things. Big comic book fan too. No clue about Clive Barker.

In comics, I know Steven Grant said Buffy wasn't his thing, but he's also said stuff about Joss being a good writer.

Warren Ellis referred to Joss once as 'one of the best writers he knew'.

Chris Claremont has put more than a few Buffy nods in the X-Men comics (which is fitting, considering Buffy has more than a few inspirational roots in Claremont's old X-Men arcs). He's had a character named 'Whedon' in there and 2 FBI agents were drawn to look like Xander and Buffy.

Writer Jeph Loeb is a Joss fan and friend (working on the Buffy cartoon of course)

Peter David has been an avid Buffy and Angel fan for years.

From Joss' side, I know he's mentioned admiring the work of Warren Ellis, Chris Claremont, Grant Morrisson, Brian Michael Bendis, Frank Miller....that's all I remember specifically reading. Anyone else?

"I seriously considered registering for the Sandman
Fidder's Green convention in November in Minneapolis, but (a) I can't take the time off, (b) I don't have the money, and (c) the program seemed a little too, um, *serious* for the likes of me. Anyone here going or thinking of going? "

Well I didn't know about it, and if it was near LA I would probably go. As it is, I'm afraid your reasons for not going apply to me as well.

EdDantes | October 16, 00:47 CET

I know Drew (Goddard) likes Sandman, at least. I don't know about Joss, but I bet he's a fan of Gaiman's work too.

Dachelle | October 16, 00:54 CET

Fox can't be ALL bad, Murdoch allows The Simpsons to mock Fox regularly and Murdoch even guested once as "Rupert Murdoch, billionaire tyrant".

On the other hand, most reviewers picked up that The Day After Tomorrow only showed Murdoch owned networks reporting the news and self, or cross, promotion seems to be the norm.

Suprised we never saw Buffy say "Giles, I can't slay tonite, that great new reality show is on Fox at eight (9PM central)"

zz9 | October 16, 01:11 CET

"Suprised we never saw Buffy say "Giles, I can't slay tonite, that great new reality show is on Fox at eight (9PM central)" .

Well there was that wee reference to a certain Fox show in First Date ;).

PRINCIPAL WOOD Um, what're you doing tonight?

BUFFY Preparing for tomorrow's counseling sessions.

PRINCIPAL WOOD No, really.

BUFFY Watching a reality show about a millionaire.

Simon | October 16, 01:15 CET

Imagine the Dolls' House storyline from the Sandman graphic novel series, put to the silver screen by director and executive producer Joss Whedon. Screenplay co-wrote by Gaiman & Whedon. If that didn't cause every fan of either Gaiman or Whedon to salivate like Pavlovian dogs I don't know what would.

I would not be surprised if the feeling was mutual. Whedon's gotta be a fan of The Endless, and pretty much any other goldeness that Gaiman touches.

ZachsMind | October 16, 01:21 CET

SNT, Gaiman was doing something with the 'FOX Movie Channel' for Halloween. He filmed intros and such for a marathon of scary movies from FOX Studios.

miss_tress | October 16, 01:46 CET

Thanks miss_tress!

ZachsMind: boy you are ringing my bell already - "The Doll's House" movie? Gaiman and Whedon? slurp slurp.

BTW: I've always liked "The Doll's House", along with "A Game of You" and "The Kindly Ones", best of all the Sandman series, which is kinda funny cos Gaiman has called these three his "female-centered" books that, evidently, have been less popular and received less acclaim than either "Season of Mists" or "Brief Lives", both of which I would rate lower on the whole.

SoddingNancyTribe | October 16, 02:28 CET

I've been mulling over going to Fiddler's Green for about 2 months, and kinda decided against it mostly from a financial standpoint. And while I do own my own collection of The Sandman I think I'd generally feel pretty intimidated around the hardcore fans. Gaiman's work is astoundingly sophisticated and I simply haven't spent the time to really analyze it.

However, I do live in Minneapolis, and it would be a huge thing to be able to meet Neil...you know, cuz he totally rules.

ringworm | October 16, 02:34 CET

"I think I'd generally feel pretty intimidated around the hardcore fans. Gaiman's work is astoundingly sophisticated and I simply haven't spent the time to really analyze it." I hear you, ringworm, that's exactly what I was trying to get at above.

Still and all, if I actually lived in Minneapolis, I would find it hard to stay away . . .

SoddingNancyTribe | October 16, 02:51 CET

I know Joss is a fan of Sandman. When he was a writer on Roseanne, he was the one who suggested that Darlene's room be decorated by posters of Death, the gothy incarnation from Sandman.

from imdb trivia for Roseanne:

Sometimes, posters for the comic book "The Sandman" can be seen in Darlene's bedroom. These were suggested by then-writer Joss Whedon.

-- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094540/trivia


Yes, I've looked for them. They're definitely there on some of the later eps of the show.

dottikin | October 16, 02:52 CET

I seem to have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that Stephen King hasn't ever seen Buffy, even though it's been recommended to him. I forget why, though, but he didn't seem interested. I *could* be wrong but it sticks in my memory b/c I remember being disappointed reading that. I wonder if it was in one of his EW articles. I wonder if I'm mixing up my authors.

*goes off to Google*

teenes | October 16, 03:43 CET

I seem to remember Joss name checking Gaiman or something at one of his San Diego Comicon appearances. In any case, you can see a bit of a Gaiman influence -- definitely similarity in the concepts of The Endless to The Powers That Be/Senior Partners in AtS.

bobster | October 16, 06:46 CET

"I know Joss is a fan of Sandman. When he was a writer on Roseanne, he was the one who suggested that Darlene's room be decorated by posters of Death, the gothy incarnation from Sandman."

That's cool! I remember those posters! And I knew Joss was a writer there, but I never thought of a possible connection. Thanks for that, dottikin. That's the kind of trivia I just love knowing. Gets added to the archive, hehe.

And I've never been able to choose between the Sandman trades. Not to say I haven't had favorites, they just tend to change a little when I reread them again. But the Doll's House with the 'Cereal Convention' is always a classic.

Oh and I can wholeheartedly recommend the Sandman Companion. A brilliant read as the writer goes through every single Sandman story with Neil himself, talking about influences, meanings, references anecdotes, etc etc. Definitely a very good book. (Some others I've seen are pretty shallow)

EdDantes | October 16, 09:18 CET

Ed said:

From Joss' side, I know he's mentioned admiring the work of Warren Ellis, Chris Claremont, Grant Morrisson, Brian Michael Bendis, Frank Miller....that's all I remember specifically reading. Anyone else?

A fan-letter of Joss' was recently printed in an issue of the comic book Y: The Last Man. Y is a pretty popular title from Vertigo/DC (same guys who published Sandman as well as a bunch of other mature titles. I know most regular comic book readers know this, just pointing it out for those who might not know and would be open to trying something new). It's my favorite currently running series at the moment. I believe I saw Joss mention elsewhere as well, possibly on the Bronze message board, that he's a huge fan of writer Brian K. Vaughan's. Vaughan also writes Runaways, an all-ages comic from Marvel, which is also pretty good.

Buy Y: The Last Man. It's an awesome comic, I can't recommend it enough. It's not a lifelong committment, the writer has a planned ending somewhere around the issue 50-60 range, possibly a bit earlier in the 40s even. You can buy it in monthly issue format (it's up to #27 at the moment) or check out one of the 3 collections currently available (Book 4 is out in December).

Kris | October 16, 10:26 CET

Regarding 'Runaways' someone on fff.net posted a couple of weeks ago that there's a letter from Joss in the final issue bemoaning its cancellation (or something like that).

And Y:The Last Man is excellent.

Simon | October 16, 11:39 CET

Actually, I think that's where the letter I'm thinking of showed up, in Runaways. But I'm sure Joss reads Y as well, I've seen him mention it somewhere.

Rumors of Runaways' demise have been greatly exaggerated. It's coming back for a "Season 2" with a brand new issue #1 some time...next year I think?

[ edited by Kris on 2004-10-16 10:03 ]

Kris | October 16, 12:02 CET

LOL on your upper post, Simon. Very thrilled to see one great man acknownledge another (our man Joss).

As a Stephen King fan, I truly can not believe he hasn't looked over Joss' work. One master of entertainment will not dismiss the other. And Joss knows how to entertain. (BTW, 'The Stand' is my favorite right behind 'Carrie'. Also 'Firestarter' and...this is a long list).

Madhatter | October 16, 19:05 CET

We've covered the Joss and Brian Vaughan mutual appreaciation on Whedonesque before: June 24 Whedonesque discussion

Paul_Rocks | October 17, 18:39 CET

like i've said before, gaiman and whedon together is a wet dream with a capital w and d *sigh*.

dottikin, ever notice david's sandman t-shirt? i was giddy when i caught that. but now i am even ggiddier knowing joss' influence.

ed, i've always atopped myself from buying the companion, for some reason i thought it will diminish some of my intense awe. why? no clue, i just didn't feel like having some one screw up something so sacred. however, i've been pleasently surprised with buffy/angel online analyses. so will give it a try.

rsfayez | October 18, 05:50 CET