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December 24 2004

The Best & Worst Television '04. Angel is one of the runners up in MSN Entertainment's Best Drama category. "The "Buffy" spin-off carved out its own, increasingly audacious and even whimsical universe".

Cold comfort at best and still not good enough, in my book.
Couldn't Firefly, kind-of-sort-of, be included on that best of TV and DVD list? When did FF come out last year? November? December? Include it!
No, Firefly was the previous season.
Please explain your post.
If you are talking to me Madhatter, I just thought that Firefly: The Complete Season may still be considered at 2004 release, even thought I know it came out in late 2003. Just thinking out loud.

Happy Holidays from leavetoreaver.
Nice to hear Angel being menstioned, thank you Joss and co for giving it your all to end it as good as you could, to not fade away indeed, go Angel.
Yes, it was nice to see it being mentioned but it's still bittersweet. Angel was truly coming into it's own and finally leaving the shadow of BtVS. This last season was one of it's best and got better and better as the season went on. It was the launching pad for a potentially even better season and it's a shame that we'll never know where they were going with it. Illyria was such an exciting character that we never really got to explore. I can only compare it too if Spike had only been shown for a few episodes on Buffy and then was killed off what a shame it would've been to never see more of that character. And how about the resurrected Darla? How great was her run on Angel compared to her brief stint on BtVS? I'd love to know how Illyria would've turned out. Maybe some day we'll know but, it's still a major disappointment to have all these crappy shows on the WB and know that they threw this gem away.

Anyway, back to a more pleasant theme... Happy Holidays to everyone!

(Blwessels)
My fault leaveittoreaver. Just wasn't following your line of thought. Thanks for setting me straight:)

Blwessels, wonderful thought with beinging Darla into season five. Wow, that would've been interesting! Can you see a discussion between Angel, Illyria, and Darla? Whoa! There's so many things that 'should' have been for Angel. Hopefully, Joss will give us a peaceful (??) ending to this exchange.

I also wish all a Merry Christmas. Cheers!
Ah any praise is still good. Any hint of recognition. Even though a lot of it does seem too little, too late. It's still a good thing. Or it's X-Mas and I'm filled with joy.....or something....

Merry X-Mas everyone;-)

(Yes I'm a big ole softie this time of year. Sue me.)
Yes, it was nice to see it being mentioned but it's still bittersweet. Angel was truly coming into it's own and finally leaving the shadow of BtVS. This last season was one of it's best and got better and better as the season went on. It was the launching pad for a potentially even better season and it's a shame that we'll never know where they were going with it. Illyria was such an exciting character that we never really got to explore. I can only compare it too if Spike had only been shown for a few episodes on Buffy and then was killed off what a shame it would've been to never see more of that character. And how about the resurrected Darla? How great was her run on Angel compared to her brief stint on BtVS? I'd love to know how Illyria would've turned out. Maybe some day we'll know but, it's still a major disappointment to have all these crappy shows on the WB and know that they threw this gem away.

Anyway, back to a more pleasant theme... Happy Holidays to everyone!

(Blwessels)

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I agree with all that, in fact it's taken me alot of time to get over that the show ended, but how I dealt with it, basically was, network tv is a weird thing, shows like Twin Peaks are embedded in cult tv, lasted 2 seasons, Fire Fly had 14 episodes, what if WB didn't greenlit Angel, what if Angel remained on Buffy, and people would think Angel spin off idea, dumb, because there's always a natural hesistence of how good a spin off is gonna be, , there was a chance Angel wasn't gonna come back for a 5th season.

I remember fans thinking maybe it's for the best, because they didn't like the changes WB were asking, a slash in budget, bring in a Buffy character, some people truely thought end it on season four, glad they were proven wrong, can't imagine Angel and no smile time etc, a network's decision to renew Angel for the 5th season after it was on the bubble, I was really pleased about it,imagine it ending after four seasons with Home, we'll be thinking about the season of season five and what that might of been like, well we found out, one miracle done.

Now what if WB never asked for changes to be made, and Joss went into season five, no spike etc, and knowing it was the last season, the season I say would of been totally different and maybe felt more closure through it, but as it stands season five leaves you hungaring for more, and sometimes that's a good thing, some shows run out of steam way before their season five, thats why Angel's 112 episodes seem shorter, but if you think about it, Buffy lasted a season and a half more then Angel, buffy's first season was 12 episodes, Angel had 21, in a way, it's had 6 seasons of what Buffy had, and I say had a kick ass last season compared to Buffy's 7th season, which was good, but it's had better, so things could of been much different, but turned out alright, 5 seasons is still a big amount, just Angel was done too well, couldn't imagine it ending, as Joss says, if the fight never ends, I wouldn't of felt closure at the end of season six either, Joss and his people just made these shows so well, I don't believe it was gonna be easy to see it end, because there are creative elements you always imagine, even after the end. I hope there's a Angel film sometime.

[ edited by SeanValen on 2004-12-25 10:39 ]

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