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January 07 2005

Faith Spin-Off Campaign. SaveAngel.org's begun a campaign for the Faith spin-off Joss was 'salivating to do,' beginning with sending post cards to Eliza Dushku.

Very cool! I will definately be sendin' out all of the postcards they have available.
Not that I don't think a Faith spin-off would be great, but... I'm not sure how effective this will be. Honestly the first thing to come to mind was, "Yes, let's annoy the hell out of her! That'll get her to do it!"
Agreed, Amberina. A campaign to save a show is one thing, but to start one is a bit odd to me.
Well, she has already said that she would love to work with Joss again....
weatherby: My thoughts exactly. It seems so... I don't know, it just doesn't seem like something that'll happen. I mean, as much as I would love to see a Faith spin-off, going about it this way just feels off.

Madhatter: Yeah, but offhand comments in interviews don't necessarily equal a contract signing. I still don't think it's feasible.
As much as I admire any fan campaign to get a Buffy spin off on the air, let's look at the following:

1) The Buffyverse on TV is either dead or on a long breakdown. The WB aren't interested in the telemovies and the only thing on the horizon is an Angel comic book that at best 30,000 people a month will read. Realistically, I think we won't see a new Buffyverse show for at least another 5 years.

2) Joss has retired from TV for the time being. He's a movie man now. If Serenity does well, there will be more than likely be a trilogy. And if the Wonder Woman rumours pan out well he'll certainly be kept busy for the next couple of years.

3) Will a network let Eliza be the lead for a new show after the commercial and critical failure that was Tru Calling?

4)The Buffyverse writers have gone to different shows and I imagine they have contracts that lock them into these shows.

5) A show about Faith? Well the character is a bit one dimensional. She was a bad girl turned good. That's all you can say about her really.

6) Star Trek: Enterprise. Beware of spinoffs made in a hurry to satisfy fans and keep money pouring in a franchise.
Is it me or did anyone else forget that Mutant Enemy shutdown its offices, so they have no home studio at which to hang there production shingle? So even if Eliza said ok, and she has already turned it down once, I think we need more than just her. I mean shouldn't Joss be in on this to an extent? At least here he's remotely aware but you'd think that they would try to convince the creator to come back first, then work on convincing the potential cast members.
Very mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I agree with RavenU and Simon's item 2, sending postcards to Eliza D. will have no impact whatsoever on whether a Faith show is made or not. His somewhat cryptic comments aside, Joss is busy with other things.
On the other hand I can see how getting a pile of postcards might cheer up Eliza D. on a dull day.

Conclusion: if you are bored and have nothing better to do, send her a fan postcard, just don't expect it to have any impact on whether a Faith show gets made or not.
The point was Eliza has stated she would work with Joss again so there's really no reason to flood her with post cards. Also being just an actress, it isn't her call to produce a show anyway. The most effective place to send requests are networks/production studios. And, as RavenU mentioned, ME is no more :)

What Simon said about ST:Enterprise. Amen.
That :) came out soooo wrong.
I'm willing to campaign anything Buffyverse. I've got this angsty feeling that it's all over. Even the cartoon doesn't seem to sell.

And a Faith spin-off would only be an extra bonus! If you find Faith one-dimensional than Spike is too. He's also bad turned good. What is more imnportant is that her character has enough to be fleshed out. Granted, there are other characters who could work better, but Faith will work well. Just like with Buffy, the sidekicks are the ones who break or make the show.

Uhm, I don't find Star Trek Enterprise that bad. It's still much better than most crap we got now. As for Joss's movies, great. But, much rather a Buffy spin-off. And the harder the times for such a show the stronger the challenge for Joss. Which is only good. I agree that it needs to be done carefully, but Joss already wanted to have a Faith Spin-off during S7. That means he already has a vision about it. It's not like it's coming out of the blue.

Tru calling didn't do well, but I wouldn't call it a failure.
Truthfully the longer we go without a spin off, the more likely I won't be into it. If all the actors get too old, we probably won't be seeing them as the main character in a spin off (you've got those 18-30 demographics to please..) and the last thing I want to see is a Battlestar Galactica-like remake(I haven't seen the new show, but I know it's changed some of the old characters, like making one into a girl..). And after the potentials, I'm not sure I can get all up for a buffy:tng scenario.

Basically I want a spin off based around a existing character. BUT I would settle for a Fray series, in fact I've always thought it would make a good movie or show.
I do not think Fox Network has any clue what they are doing. Heck, they actually admitted in Entertainment Weekly that they put way to much focus on "reality" TV. If Tru Calling had been on another network it might still be alive.

As for the Faith Spin-Off Campaign.....I have not made up my mind. While I ABSOLUTELY would LOVE such a show, is there even a 10% chance of such a thing happening??
This is kind of off-topic, but Hollywood Reporter features a piece on their site today that states that JJ Adams of Lost and Alias fame has four pilots with ABC. Since he has a "tendency" to enlist Angel/Buffy writers there might be some interesting developments. Unfornately I do not have a subscription so I could not read the WHOLE feature.
(Does anyone have a subscription and can log on??)
While Faith as a character was never anywhere near being my favourite, I would love nothing more than to see a new verse series announced. TV will always be the best medium for people like Joss to work in.
Me too, with the mixed feelings. While I'd do almost anything for a Faith series, I really don't see this campaign, as it is now, working at all.

Regarding "Faith is a bit one dimensional", I wanted to add that when Angel got a show of his very own, I couldn't for the life of me understand what Joss had been thinking. I couldn't imagine what they'll be able to do with Angel and his two facial expressions (mean, and broody) that will hold an entire show. Well obviously I was so wrong it's embarrassing, and Joss&Co had managed to create a brilliant show.

They could do it again, it could be with Faith. I believe as a character she actually has much more to go on than Angel did at the end of Buffy3.
Jonas, you can find many stories from Variety and Hollywood Reporter reprinted on Yahoo! News. The one you're probably thinking of is here. It doesn't actually say that JJ Abrams has four pilots with ABC, but that he has one of the four. The relevant blurb reads,
Abrams will serve as an executive producer of "What About Brian," which centers on a thirtysomething single guy surrounded by his married friends. Dana Stevens ("City of Angels") penned the script, and will also executive produce.
Doesn't sound all that exciting from the description, although he might still surprise us.
Hmmm, Eliza has absolutely no control whatsoever regarding whether a Faith series (or any other tv series) gets made. Also, given that she's already said she'd love to work with Joss again, I don't understand the point of this campaign. It's well-intentioned, but I'm afraid it reflects a lack of understanding about how the entertainment industry works. Granted, I don't fully understand how it works either, but I know its not the actor who gets to decide these things.

I love their enthusiasm though. I don't want fans to give up on the verse. I know we probably only have a five year window if we want to see the current actors reprise their roles again, but those five years aren't up yet! So keep making noise!!!
bovik- Thanks a bunch. It always irritates me with Variety and Hollywood Reporter....especially Variety since they only have one or two sentences printed on the site. Also, thanks for clearing my misunderstanding of "for pilots"
The WB aren't interested in the telemovies and the only thing on the horizon is an Angel comic book...

A bit off topic but I was watching the WB last night. I don't watch often; however a movie called Summer Catch (I think) was on with Freddie Prinz Jr, Marc Blucas, and Christen Kane.

Anyway the WB has a new promo commercial showing actors, shows and a year that the show ran (don't know how they came up with the year) - I think all the shows in the promo were shows that are still running (I remember Gilmore Girls and Smallville) on the WB, except one - they showed David and listed the Angel TV show! I believe they put the year 1999 under Angel.

I was so surprised, and upset when I saw this. I felt angry that they listed Angel with pride when they cancelled the show prematurely. Yes they had the show for 5 years so I guess they have every right to use it in the promo but the cancellation was so wrong, and such a sore spot with fans of the show that I was surprised to see David on the screen. It really made me angry that they were touting Angel as a feather in the WB hat, and an example of the quality programming brought to you by of The WB. It is an example of the quality programming cancelled by The WB.
I agree with some of the other comments here, ED is really not the person to target with a 'campaign'. She's not the person to get the ball rolling. This seems like a bit of a waste of time and money. I mean, if she already knows she'd do it, all these postcards won't have an effect on her decision, and if she doesn't want to do it, I have to think they still won't have an effect except to maybe be an ego boost. But really, it's like sending Joss a postcard to get Angel back on the air, when it's not a decision he can make.
Heck if you want a get the Jossverse back to TV, the best campaign would be to send postcards to ABC and say hey you have JJ with 'Lost' and ' Alias' now get the guy he kidnapped his best writers from, bring Joss Whedon back to TV while you can. Cause when Serenity blows out the box office this coming fall the studios will want him in the movies.

Or something like that. :)
Oh and on topic - Of course I would love a Faith spinoff but don't think sending postcards to ED is the way.

Which Witch - I too was surprised by what Joss & David Greenwalt did with the Angel spinoff. I had the same thoughts as you, I didn't feel Angel's consant broodiness would be able to carry a whole series and I was so wrong!

If a Faith spin off was done by Joss I'm sure it would be great. I'm not sure but I think Joss can spin gold from straw.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but here it is: I would rather see Joss develop an entirely new show than a spin-off of the Buffy/Angelverse. I would still love to see a Buffy and/or Angel movie, though.
I think the postcards are a good idea only in that they will really make Eliza feel appreciated as Faith. I don't think for one minute it would have any effect on whether or not a show gets going.

Still, it would probably cheer ED to see that us fans still care about her and Faith. Especially if she doesn't have any other irons in the fire right now.
Well I hope ED will be flattered. Instead of feeling frustrated and powerless, seeing how it's no more her decision than ours. I agree with what most have said. It's a waste of time and makes me wonder if people are paying attention at all. ME is no more. Joss is doing movies. The TV movies didn't even get off the ground. The current TV landscape is still pretty inhospitable for genre TV. Also, BtVS and AtS were never huge rating winners. It's not gonna happen. At least not anytime soon.

Faith being a one dimensional character is something I disagree with though. (And wouldn't that be 2 dimensional?) I'd sooner say that of Xander or Dawn. Faith is a character that was always recurring so she's actually one that Joss could still do a lot with. More than with most others. She's also one of the few that really went bad and really went good. Without any of the usual 'I was under a spell/influence of dark magic/traumatized/had no soul' excuses. I'd be interested to see what Joss'd do with that.

But really, not gonna happen. And IF by SOME miracle it will, it won't be because Eliza got a bunch of postcards.

[ edited by EdDantes on 2005-01-07 17:35 ]
I generally feel doubtful (yet hopeful) about any future Buffyverse stories happening, but then when I read other people's pessimistic posts I'm angry that they don't have more (excuse the pun) faith in these possible future projects!

I think most of us are in the better-not-get-excited-until-it-actually-happens state of mind, to save us from disappointment. When I heard James Marsters announce the 4 telemovies on Rove, I had no doubt that it would happen. Since then I've come to understand further the enormous amount of luck and work and all the little pieces that have to come together in this industry to make something like this happen.

So yes, I'm very doubtful that this will happen, but so very hopeful. Even if flooding Eliza with postcards does nothing other than start a new campaign and remind Joss and the producers and actors that could be available, that we are still extremely hungry for more Buffyverse, and start debates like this, it's something. It's reason to hope. And until Joss flat-out tells us to stop hoping for more (please don't Joss!), I will always be waiting, hoping, praying and wishing in pathetic puppy dog anticipation.
Agreed with the above. Mutant Enemy is closed.

The thing that confuses me is that these postcards appear to be going to Eliza's agent? Which means the agent's assistant will be dumping them into a crate and at the end of the week will say to his/her boss, "We got 200 postcards for Eliza Dushku."

There's little chance that Eliza will see them, and unless her agent calls her and remembers to say, "your fans are sending postcards to the office" she might not know about them.

But there's really no harm in sending them, I don't think there will be thousands of postcards, maybe a couple hundred that all hit next week before it dies off and people turn their attentions to other things.
I agree. If this campaign happens, it should be directed at the source that 'can' make it happen. The networks and studios. If they sense a high demand for a 'type' of show, they will look into it (must say, I'm also a babe in the woods on this matter. But an interest requested is a demand for supply).

With that said, I doubt we will get what we asked for because the source isn't available. Joss. I see this man telling his stories in movies for several years. I must ask the question, is that bad? Would you be disappointed? Thought not. I believe Joss will return to the small screen when he feels the time is right and has a story that will blow our socks off. Still, it doesn't hurt to 'ring' the networks with our demands.
Eliza can't put the Faith spinoff into production, but she can tell Joss she's interested in doing it. That gets the ball moving. Without Eliza there is not chance for a Faith spinoff. She's the key.

The networks and 20th Century Fox will be targeted next. However, if Eliza isn't interested, then we're wasting our time. They can approach her about it, but they're more likely to approach Eliza about doing some other pilot.

As for writing to Eliza at her agency, that's the only address we have for her. Considering TC's status, who knows if sending anything to the Fox BH PO box would accomplish anything.

I've personally sent 50 postcards (30 last night). And Joss is repped by CAA too, so maybe his agent gets wind of this too if they get flooded with enough postcards.

[ edited by FaithFan on 2005-01-07 19:16 ]
There's no harm in attempting to get a ball rolling.
I think Joss can spin gold from straw

oh my, I never thought of Joss as Rumpelstilzchen, but now that you point it outÖ:-)

My personal and entirely selfish preference would be to campaign for an Angel movie (movie, not TV film), as at least it has some possible chance of success in a win the lottery sort of way. I am prepared to beg Ė dignity, like compassion, is entirely overrated and I have been using up my stash of postcards for a movie, at least it canít hurt. TV seems pretty dead for all the practical reasons already mentioned.
This just seems like spam to me. Surely any movement towards a new spin-off comes from the networks, after which it would be possible to see which actors would be available and interested.

At this stage, I just think that Eliza's opinions are irrelevant.
The process for pitching a show to a network goes like this. A producer (say Joss) goes to a studio (say 20th Century Fox), and says he has an idea for a show. If it's a Faith spinoff, he better have the actress that plays Faith onboard.

The studio (20th) pitches the idea to networks.

That's why Joss said if Eliza is interested in doing it, he will. Unless Eliza wants to do it, nothing will happen.

The networks aren't going to approach Joss for a spinoff at this point. Joss is going to have to fight for one.
Not to be argumentative, though I suppose I am being argumentative, but don't you think both Joss and Eliza know that there are a bunch of fans who want a Faith spinoff, already? And if he wanted to do a Faith spinoff, he'd pitch it?

If the point is to let them know that a few fans will send 30 postcards each because they want it so bad, then you're making your point and that's fine. I'm sure Joss hasn't forgotten about it, if you're just sending a reminder that you'd like to see a Faith spinoff.

I think it would be a different ball of wax if Joss gave an interview and said, "gee, I pitched the Faith spinoff and Eliza said she'd do it, but the network isn't buying."

This seems premature. But as I said above, a couple hundred postcards is no harm done and sweet.
If people love the character, and want more slayerverse on tv, let them fight. I'll fight with them. At the same time, my hopes are neutral. I know how tough the tv business is, and all sort of things, it's a long hill, but I love the character, I loved Eliza as Faith. If it happens, I'll celebrate; if it doesn't, she's done a lot of cool work on 2 of the slayverse shows I'll always appreciate.

I'll be sending postcards.
Joss did say the problem with getting a Faith spinoff to happen was getting Eliza onboard. So we're writing to her.

Maybe she knows the fans want a Faith spinoff, but maybe not. She's said she was surprised about the reaction of shock and horror from her fans to her signing on for TC. I'm not sure she understands how much the fans want to see a Faith spinoff, and that's the point of this. And it doesn't hurt to let her agent know too. Maybe just to let her that know that Faith isn't fading away.

I'm completely expecting to hear any day now that Eliza has signed on for a some new Fox pilot (not Faith related). So I don't see this as premature.
I'm completely expecting to hear any day now that Eliza has signed on for a some new Fox pilot (not Faith related).

I could be wrong, and I know studios can be fickle, but I'm not sure ED is a hot commodity right now for Fox. I hope it isn't a case of 'you had your chance', but who knows with the bigwigs.
A producer (say Joss) goes to a studio (say 20th Century Fox), and says he has an idea for a show. If it's a Faith spinoff, he better have the actress that plays Faith onboard.

I'm having a deja vu moment. Didn't this already happen?
The rumor I've heard is that Gail Berman's still Eliza's champion at Fox. Eliza's guesting on That 70's Show. Fox Broadcasting and 20th Century Fox tends to keep their favorites around and moving them show to show. (ie Alicia Silverstone has a new pilot for 20th, the guy from John Doe has a new pilot, and so forth).

And what happened with the Faith spinoff years ago is null and void. And that all feel apart because of Eliza - so what better reason to target her?
Thanks for the line of reason, Rogue Slayer. People, this won't happen. We can wish with all our hearts but it's DOA.
I have to agree with Allyson on this one. ME is no longer and Joss has said that he's done with TV for the time being. I understand everyone's desire for a new spin-off, I get that, but it's just not gonna happen anytime soon. Joss knows how bad his fans want to see him go back to TV, he is very in touch with his fans, as this site proves, so no need to have Eliza contact him. I mean, could you picture that conversation?

Eliza - "Joss, I umm, received 300 postcards, via my agent, the fans want a Faith series".

Joss- "Yeah, I know our fans have been dying for spin off since Angel was cancelled, they're the best, but I'm sorry Eliza. I know you're out of work but I'm not ready to go back to TV. But you're a talented actress and I'm sure you'll get work soon".

Eliza-"I know, I was just saying I got a bunch of postcards".

My point here is that if Eliza calls Joss and tells him, it looks like she calling and asking him for a job cause her series got cancelled. Joss knows the demands and when he's ready it will happen.
"I have to agree with Allyson on this one. ME is no longer and Joss has said that he's done with TV for the time being."


As another poster commented once, Mutant Enemy doesn't even have a office, it's in Joss's head, and the people who work with him. Yes I know Joss is done with TV for the time being, but how long is that? He didn't rule out the 2005/2006 TV season? I know this TV season is well underway, but fall 2005 is a long time away still. In that time, things can happen. He said he's salivating to do a Faith show, so there's a chance in there somewhere worth fighting for.

Perhaps getting a Faith show is like Greenpeace saving the world, well I still recycle my cans. It's small percentage, but it helps.
While god knows I'd love more Slayerverse on TV, right now I think it's a case of "it'll happen when it happens." What Allyson said: Send postcards if you want, but don't invest your heart in the outcome. If it's meant to be, Joss will move on a series when it's right for him, Eliza and the network. Not before, and not just because he's aware people are clamoring for more Faith. (Just based on what leaks out in the media, it's apparent Joss is being bugged by lots of people these days; imagine how much we don't know about the demands on his time.)

I'd actually rather see a big-screen Angel movie, and I'm hoping that a terrific showing by Serenity this coming fall will make the likelihood of that more feasible. Pushing for a TV series when ME doesn't even exist in a production capacity at the moment kinda feels a little ... preemptive. Or something. But I'm sure ED will appreciate knowing that fans miss her and want to see more of her, regardless (if her agent thinks to tell her...).
Faithfan: "That's why Joss said if Eliza is interested in doing it, he will. Unless Eliza wants to do it, nothing will happen."

Faithfan: "And what happened with the Faith spinoff years ago is null and void. And that all feel apart because of Eliza - so what better reason to target her?"

Faithfan, you're quoting Joss from back then, as well as the fact that it didn't happen then because of Eliza, but then at the same time you want to argue that what happened back then is null and void. You can't really use both those arguments at the same time.

And to go with the first part of that, I'd say even back then I'm not sure it would have mattered. Eliza didn't pass on 'Faith' because she didn't know fans wanted it. She knew there were plenty of Faith fans that wanted it and she really considered it. And she passed as on it as a rational career decision. She wanted to try something else and she was worried 'Faith-the Show' would be seen as "Not-Buffy" which is a very reasonable thing to worry about.

And by now, the situation is different. Joss is no longer even in TV and is actively trying to move to the movie world. Mutant Enemy doesn't even exist anymore. Doesn't mean he won't return to TV at some point, but ED is not the place to start. Joss is the key before her. There has to be a show pitched for her to starr in. If you can sway Joss (and frankly I think he makes his own decisions too) then there's a shot. And then you can direct your attention to some network and Eliza. But Eliza can't really 'start' a show. A guy like Joss does that. But by now I don't think the only reason Joss isn't doing 'Faith' is because Eliza won't. I think the ship has sailed for now.

But no, of course there's no harm. By all means send all the cards you want. I hope it will make Eliza feel good if she hears it. (Tru getting canceled must have been a dissappointment to her, so maybe this would be nice) All we're saying is: don't hold your breath.
And what happened with the Faith spinoff years ago is null and void.

People tend to remember these things - just because you wish it null and void doesn't make it so.

Eliza said she wants to work with Joss again. I'm sure Joss knows. The desire for a spin-off isn't exactly a secret.

Plus, if I recall correctly Joss mentioned doing tv movies with Spike, Giles, Willow and Faith. Yet, we've heard nothing. He has to want to get into this fight and go out and champion a new Buffyverse series. It doesn't seem to be his focus right now.

And that all feel apart because of Eliza - so what better reason to target her?

Falling apart because of her seems like a reason not to target her. Why not campaign for a series where we know for a fact that actor would like to reprise the role?

The rumor I've heard is that Gail Berman's still Eliza's champion at Fox.

I need more than a rumor to go on. Also, being Eliza's champion isn't the same as being Joss's champion. I suspect Joss is allowing his contract with Fox to expire for a reason.

I don't mean to be negative. I want a movie, spin-off, mini-series ... as much as anyone. I love Faith as well as many other characters who I think could carry their own show or at least make a good ensemble. I applaud the effort. It's just not the approach I would take. By all means - send postcards ... LOTS of them!
I think a lot of people here are taking how things are today as being written in stone for tomorrow. Nothing that anyone has said is untrue however. Mutant Enemy is currently all but closed for business, the majority of the writers are on other shows and Joss is focused on movies.

But that is today and we are talking the extremely fickle world of television here, things change quickly. I mean how many of us really imagined three years ago that we would be looking at a Jossless tv landscape this year with little or no prospect of anything in the near future? I sure as hell couldn't have predicted that all three of Joss' shows would be over now, could you?

My point being that this happened very quickly and the same could be true for a new show happening, be it Faith, Spike, Illyria or whoever. It really doesn't matter how things stand today as it could be a whole new world again tomorrow.

What if Alias doesn't get a fifth season. For that matter what if all the shows that the ex Mutant Enemy staff are currently attached to get axed this year? It's not impossible. What if Serenity is a massive box office flop? Not that i want it to be, i personally hope it blows the competition out of the water but there are no guarantees that this movie will be a success and that the sequels will happen. What if Wonder Woman never happens or gets tied up in development hell for the forseeable future? What if come next season the WB are so desperate for something resembling a ratings hit that they realise that Joss was the only thing making their network worthwhile? All of the above happening is possible if not particularly good news for the people involved. I certainly wouldn't want it all to occur but you have to admit that it could.

Therefore what is the harm in pushing for the show you want? All this campaign is doing is being preemptive and trying to keep the torch of the slayerverse burning so that if the situation becomes favourable somebody will give it a thought. Faith is probably not my first choice of what i would want the next spinoff to be but i certainly would not say no to it if it happened. I do think there would be more ground to cover with either a Watcher show or better yet my personal holy grail, the Spike/Illyria show, but i adore both Eliza and Faith so i would definately be on board for that series should it happen.

The one way we can guarantee the slayerverse ending forever is if the fan base becomes apathetic to it's return. Sitting back quietly and hoping that something happens will pretty much ensure nothing does. Obviously this little campaign strategy is terribly flawed but it shows that there is still a passion for the slayerverse and Faith in particular. This idea alone would never be enough but doing this today, then another campaign idea tomorrow, one for Spike next week, so on and so forth, would be a great way to make sure this little fictional reality stays in the spotlight.

One of the reasons that i've always been drawn to Buffy and Angel is because the heroes don't care how unlikely their victory is or how unbeatable the odds seem. That is the way i live my life too. I won't just sit back and give up on what i want regardless of whether i think i can get it or not. If you don't do whatever you can then you don't get anything you really want.

Being practical and realistic is all well and good but it limits you if you let it. It's important to understand the reality of the situation and how much you are up against in hoping that a third slayerverse show happens but it is equally important to not let that stop you trying. Not just when it comes to your favourite television show but for everything in life. You want something then you go out and do your very best to get it and don't let practicality and realism stop you from hoping. Life is too short! ;)
Yes, very true about Joss's office being in his head. He is a brilliant man, but it takes much more then that to get a show running, plus all his top writers are off doing others projects that are very successful.

"Perhaps getting a Faith show is like Greenpeace saving the world, well I still recycle my cans. It's small percentage, but it helps."

Yes, but what if your neighbor didn't recycle and you really wanted him to, and he told you he would when he was ready? Would you bombard him with postcards informing how great it would be if he would recycle for Greenpeace and that all your neighbors are gonna send them too? See where I'm going with this?

As I stated in my previous posts last sentence, Joss is aware of how much he is missed and when he is ready he will come back to TV. If it makes you feel better to mail out postcards, then who am I to say any better. Or you could just do what I do: enjoy all the Whedonverse DVDs and support Serenity when it comes out.
I still wonder if the closing of Mutant Enemy was a way out of the development deal with The WB. Am I the only one who had that feeling?
Joss didn't have any kind of ongoing deal with the WB. That was with Fox and it still applies when and if he returns to television as far as I'm aware. Basically the contract is just on hold for now.
I thought that Joss closed up shop in order to spend time with his growing family, and a television show is 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.
Gothic - I did intend to say FOX...I have no idea were The WB came from.
Any way if the deal is still active if Joss returns to TV...my theory is a bit off then...
I think the contract Joss has with Fox expires in a year, so it won't necessarily be active when he returns to television.
Killinj, from what I understand part of the arrangement for Joss taking a break from the contract with Fox was that the time remaining would be suspended until he chose to develop another idea for television, at which point the contract would resume and stay in effect for however long still remains.
That is correct. The contract is technically in suspension. The terms of the contract give Fox the rights should he return to TV. The contract can only lapse if he is working in TV.

However, I don't think his contract with Fox is really much of a factor. What matters is what Network or Cable channel will green light a TV show.

When Joss is ready he will return to TV. In the mean time if people like ED don't know that the fans are still hungry then how would the studios. I think it is important to not only target the studios but the actors as well. After all if your ED and if you not received any Faith fan mail in 3 years...would you return to the role??? I doubt it.
ED knows that fans are still hungry for a Faith series and I'm sure she gets lots of fan mail. No harm in sending postcards - just saying our desire for a spin-off isn't exactly a secret.
My point exactly. She knows and the fans should continue to let her know. Sending post cards is a great way. I say not only keep the pressure on the studios but make sure the actors know how bad the fans want to see them again.
Or you could just do what I do: enjoy all the Whedonverse DVDs and support Serenity when it comes out.

back_to_Gunn

I enjoy all whedonverse dvds and will support Serenity, and I love Faith and ED, so if there's a campaign, I'll fight and join in. It's not like I don't appreciate everything else we have got from 12 seasons of the slayerverse; you can enjoy the dvds and fight for more, that's how I see it.

If the fans never fought to bring back Angel after it was canceled, never had the huge banners on trucks, saying Save Angel, it wouldn't have stamped the passion of the fans in the way we saw it, and the way websites and news reported it. It did send a wave through hollywood I say. Yet all the actors involved appreciated the fan support and it made them feel better, we're going out on a high etc, and when David B mentioned the fan support and how cool our fans are etc, it just made feel better after knowing Angel was canceled, my favorite show, and cool actors appreciating their fans and vice versa.

Didn't Joss say himself "keep on fighting."
You can fight, but not let it consume your life, so what's a few postcards on my part. It's a small thing, but notable, considering I like the cause.

When I met ED in London, I mentioned how much I liked her as Faith. She might not play her again, but what she did, I loved, and if she plays her again, it'd be cool. Like some other poster said above, you can easily conform to being realistic about things and do nothing. I'm not that type of person, and there seem to be other people like that, so let them fight, and respect that that's their choice.
You say fight when you should be saying support. When Angel got cancelled, yes, it was a fight to try and get it back. What are you fighting for now? The fight to get her to know that fans want her to do a Faith series? Doesn't seem like a fight. I am not against anyone sending postcards to any of their favorite actors/actresses to show support for their careers. I think ED could use some now that her show was cancelled. It's like, hey sorry your show was cancelled, but now you can do a Faith series? And if she decides not to do a Faith series again, does she lose you as a fan?

I do respect everyone's choices, that wasn't my point. My point has been that Joss will do a new show when he's ready and no time sooner. I mean no disrespect.
Almost completely off topic - when is Joss and Kai's latest due?
And a brief plea. Would people actually preview their posting and correct spelling/grammar errors before posting? Some of the posts are getting hard to read!
And back on topic, of all the things I would want to see, it would be a Joss created work in my home every week. It is indeed worth fighting for. I just can't believe it will happen again anytime soon.
Joss told Variety the following in October:

"I spent a lot of time trying to think what my next series would be. I couldnít think of anything. When that happens, it generally means something is just not working. I didnít feel like I could come up with anything that the networks would want."

My gut instinct said we're not going to see anything by him on TV for a long time. Fans can campaign for a spinoff as much as they want but they should realise that the main man doesn't want to do one.
Thanks, Lioness, for the spelling/punctuation reminder. I just spent 20 minutes going through this thread to clean up the more egregious examples. The point is not that one has to be a copy-editor to post here; rather, using apostrophes, capital letters, punctuation, and correct spelling makes the discussion much easier to follow and participate in for everyone, in particular the members who are not native English speakers.
I would love to see a Faith show. I think the character has great potential and Eliza nailed the role. However, I would also love to see Eliza in any new show and I'd love to see Joss doing another show.

Lets just hope we don't have to wait as long as ST fans di for TNG, eighteen years. That would be.... 2021.....
Heck if you want a get the Jossverse back to TV, the best campaign would be to send postcards to ABC and say hey you have JJ with 'Lost' and ' Alias' now get the guy he kidnapped his best writers from, bring Joss Whedon back to TV while you can. Cause when Serenity blows out the box office this coming fall the studios will want him in the movies.

I like this idea RavenU! :)
Come on guys, it's Friday!!! Whats with all the pessimism? I know with all the false rumors floating around we have learned to be wary, but this is no reason to be so down.:) I'm confident that the Whedonverse will continue. I just don't know how long. Everyone is saying this isn't the best idea, but ME is no more so it couldn't hurt to send ED a post card or two. Also, you never know if ED liked the idea of a Faith show and called Joss, I'm sure he would at least talk to her about it. I mean, if ED says she wants to do it I'm sure Joss will do it also, but not right away since he has so much other stuff going on right now. Have a little hope with your Faith. :)
Perhaps we should start a pool in the next series? I'll say March 2009 (history tends to repeat itself) and it will not follow the 'verse as we know it. But it will be just as successful as BtVS.
I say October 2006. Just a hunch.
Joss told Variety the following in October:

"I spent a lot of time trying to think what my next series would be. I couldnít think of anything. When that happens, it generally means something is just not working. I didnít feel like I could come up with anything that the networks would want."

My gut instinct said we're not going to see anything by him on TV for a long time. Fans can campaign for a spinoff as much as they want but they should realise that the main man doesn't want to do one.

Simon

But when was the high stakes convention when he said "I'm salivating to do a Faith show." It was after October wasn't it?
And for all he knew, Eliza was up and running with Tru Calling, now that's canceled, then he comments on Faith etc etc, things change.

[ edited by Caroline on 2005-01-08 01:42 ]
He made the remarks at the High Stakes party before the Variety article came out.
Just finished watching the commentary on "Chosen" and the featurette on season 7 of Buffy and Joss repeatedly mentions how tired he is/was. He emphasized over and over again that he was happy with the way the show ended but he was happy to be done with it. And listening to some of the other commentaries they often talk about the long days and long work weeks.

I think he may just need a break from tv right now. He most likely is aware that EDs show has ended and if he wanted to start pursuing the possibility of a Faith spin-off he wouldn't need a fan campaign to get him to do it.

As for ED being blamed that she had an opportuinity to do a Faith series and turned it down isn't quite fair. From what I understand, talk of a Faith series was happening at the same time that Tru Calling was being drawn up and she signed on to that first. At that time, Faith the series was just an idea and there wasn't anything concrete. She went with the sure thing, which was smart because if she had turned it down to do Faith the series and it never happened (say the WB didn't want it and UPN didn't want it - which wouldn't be a surprise to me) she'd be left with nothing. Another one of the commentaries talks about how the idea of a Faith spin-off was floating around and that's why they wanted to do a Faith/Spike scene because he'd be the other character on her show but they also mentioned that the idea for many different spin-offs have come up over the years. So just because it was an idea doesn't mean that it ever graduated to the next stage.

I think if Joss said that about "salivating to do a Faith show" then it is a possibility that he'd still want to do it but the timing may just not be right for him right now and when the time is right for him,it may not be right for ED.

"Just finished watching the commentary on "Chosen" and the featurette on season 7 of Buffy and Joss repeatedly mentions how tired he is/was. He emphasized over and over again that he was happy with the way the show ended but he was happy to be done with it."

Firefly Flanatic


But you got to remember, he was doing Buffy, Angel and Firefly together that season, one had to take less of his time, tiring yep.

Yet he was passionate about creative possibilities of Angel past season five, and that was after Buffy's season seven, after Fire Fly etc. Things change.

[ edited by Simon on 2005-01-08 02:09 ]
Yes, SeanValen, things do change but I don't think it's been time enough. He had to deal a lot with the politics of tv with the execs and I think he may have had his fill for the time being. He doesn't seem to be eager about jumping back in. With that brain of his I doubt he really couldn't come up with something (and not just something for the Buffyverse). I think maybe he just needs a break (or maybe a year for that contract with Fox to run out) and maybe he'll be eager to jump back in. He's currently working on Serenity and the X-men comics, and there is talk about a Wonder Woman movie - he still sounds busy to me.
In all honesty, I love that fans are still campaigning. There's a variety of efforts out there scattered across the fandom. So while this particular approach may not be the one for me - I'm happy to see us not fade away.
5) A show about Faith? Well the character is a bit one dimensional. She was a bad girl turned good. That's all you can say about her really. - Simon

I don't think you can actually say that fairly. They haven't exactly had enough Faith episodes to develop her character much. Faith is a very interesting character and the show would hold people's interests. I mean, if originally, a Faith the Vampire Slayer show was made and Buffy Summers had been a guest star on the show, I'm guessing no one would think that a Buffy spin-off woulda been good.
I want to sit back and see what pops out of Joss' wonderful brain. I no longer have any interest in campaigning for any particular project. He's the creative genius and I want to watch what HE wants to do next.
That is so true looking! Let's just all sit back and wait and see what he has to offer!

As for Faith being "a bit one dimensional", well, as far as I know that's an impossible thing on a Whedon show. People probably thought that about Spike when he was first introduced, or Wesley, or Fred, or Willow, or Anya, or Cordy, etc - look how far those characters came. And I believe Faith came a long way since she was first introduced. I think they could do a lot with that character if a show ever happens. None of us even know much of her background and how she came to be such an angry person to begin with. It would be interesting to find out.
Angel - a bad vampire gone good. That's about all you can say about him really. (sorry, couldn't resist)
Maybe Angel is more bad human gone bad vampire gone good vampire gone bad vampire gone good vampire (for a few seconds at any rate!) gone dead (?) gone good vampire gone good human (well for one day at least) gone good vampire gone bad vampire gone good vampire? Wait a minute, maybe that means not a one-dimensional character?

And on that note, surely he is a three-dimensional character and the debate is really over whether he is a four-dimensional character (i.e. does he have the dimension of time, change over time, that is). Sorry the geek in me just erupted there. He is again firmly supressed.

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