""It goes back to World War II," he says of the source material. "This will be in the modern day, but Wonder Woman herself will never be in the modern day.""

I don't get it.

RpgActioN | May 19, 20:21 CET

I took it as her history is from WWII (comics, etc.) so with keeping that in mind, in his incarnation she may be out of place in the modern world. Perhaps it's as simple as her 'tools' and weapons won't be super duper advanced "widgets" but the ones we know from her history. OR, it's more a message on her not quite fitting in in today's society? Not sure. I guess we'll have to wait and see (if more part of that interview show up anywhere else!)

Grace | May 19, 20:30 CET

Whatever, as long as Morgan Freeman is Wonder Woman, I don't care about the story! ;)

But, more seriously, I also have trouble understanding this sentence. To me, it might mean two things:

1) either there are "two" wonder women (which has been suggested before), the "true" living during WWII and her heir living in the modern days.

2) or the story is made of two timelines: a main timeline in the modern days, which makes references to a timeline during WWII with Wonder Woman (but I can't imagine how to make a film on Wonder Woman in which the heroin only appears in flashbacks).

Le Comité | May 19, 20:31 CET

Or, indeed, the part "Wonder Woman herself will never be in the modern day" could apply to the psyche of the character, as you said, Grace.

Le Comité | May 19, 20:33 CET

> it's more a message on her not quite fitting in in today's society?<

exactly. sorta the opposite of Buffy. more of a Kendra.

miyu_tVP | May 19, 20:43 CET

but even freakier:

"I think of ideas for the Serenity sequel that may never happen."

:(

it will. it WILL!

miyu_tVP | May 19, 20:46 CET

We have discussed this before but this is the second time now that Joss is saying that Serenity may not do well, that there may be no sequels. I am getting seriously worried. Is there something he's not telling us?

Lioness | May 19, 20:53 CET

I think he's just not getting his hopes up. In the last few years he's had 2 of his shows killed, it's understandable that he's not thinking of the Serenity sequels as a given.

Ghost Spike | May 19, 20:59 CET

> he's not thinking of the Serenity sequels as a given.<

I know that's a healthy, rational way to look at things... I just wish he'd stop saying it *out loud*.

:)

miyu_tVP | May 19, 21:09 CET

I believe the statement about Wonder Woman means that she is a creature who is out-of-time, not part of or connected to the world around her. So although JW is up-dating the story and telling it in modern time instead of in the 1940s, never-the-less he wants his heroine to have a mythic timeless quality.

And I hope that that these statements about 'Serenity' are just a reflection of Joss' insecurity after the cancelled TV shows. I hope that the negative reactions of a small number of fans didn't make him (or Universal) doubt the quality of 'Serenity', because I think it is a brilliant film and I can't wait to see it a second time.

embers | May 19, 21:10 CET

Joss may well feel a bit gun shy at this point, but I also think what he's doing is what they call "the expectations game" in politics, where both sides will, for example, try to downplay their own candidate before a debate. So, in that case, if their candidate gets through the debate without declaring war on saying "the F word", the media will declare them a winner for not disgracing themselves!

Right now, buzz on "Serenity" among us fans is in danger of becoming overheated and it's entirely possible that too much hype, however sincere, could damage the response of newbies. So, he may well be doing just the right thing.

In any case, it works for Karl Rove....

[ edited by bobster on 2005-05-19 19:10 ]

[ edited by bobster on 2005-05-19 19:13 ]

bobster | May 19, 21:10 CET

I think what he meant is something akin to the fact that because Wonder Woman's lived on Themyscira for so long, there's nothing she really knows about Man's World. She's, in very many ways, still stuck in ancient Greece, despite Diana Trevor having landed on Themyscira and helping the Amazons war against Doom's Doorway (if Diana Trevor is indeed brought up in the movie at all...) I mean, I really doubt that Diana Trevor could have brought the Amazons up to date on what's going on in Patriarch's World.

Emma Frost | May 19, 22:56 CET

I know that's a healthy, rational way to look at things... I just wish he'd stop saying it *out loud*

Me too! He typically does downplay sequel hopes -- he's consistently talked about seeing how well the first movie does, and not over-emphasizing the trilogy possibilities. I just wish that September 30th and the next few weekends were done and over with so I can stop worrying. I'm so tired of it.

dottikin | May 19, 23:06 CET

I'll go with Huntress on this one. Maybe Joss will make Wonder Woman as a variation of Illyria, an ex-god to a god who now wonders how she can fit into our time.
As for Joss' concerns about whether there will be a sequel to Serenity, I think it's his way to avoid being over-confident, despite the popularity of the pre-screenings

impalergeneral | May 19, 23:12 CET

>so I can stop worrying.<

tut, tut. Come on over to the miyu frame of mind, where the sequel question is not "if?" but "when?.... and how many?" :)

Also, I want to say how happy I am for Joss that the studio isn't putting any pressure on him to rush Wonder Woman. That must be such a relief.

miyu_tVP | May 19, 23:20 CET

I agree, the statement's rather open to ambiguity (Joss's style really).

I'm not a Wonder Woman reader, so I'm unsure of the background, but am I right in thinking that it's a title, rather then one specific woman, that there is some sort of tournament for the title?

I also remember there being some talk of the actress being in her early twenties. So, conceivably the history bit could be back story, the history of Wonder Women as it were, and the Wonder Woman in the movie could be new?

So, in my mind she's the new Wonder Woman, early twenties, just got the title, but with a link back to the original story.

bubblecat | May 19, 23:36 CET

Alright. I will henceforth believe that Joss will be making a Douglas Adams style "trilogy" of Serenity films. I believe. I *do* believe!

Lioness | May 20, 00:34 CET

I think I'm with bubblcoat on this one I take this to mean that there is someone reminising about Wonder Woman's history (and possible death, It is Joss we are talking about here.) As with a new wonder woman in the modern day maybe or maybe it is her daughter.



So your hoping he'll make 5 Movies?

Crypto | May 20, 05:52 CET

I take this to mean that there is someone reminising about Wonder Woman's history (and possible death, It is Joss we are talking about here.) As with a new wonder woman in the modern day maybe or maybe it is her daughter.

Yeah, that's what I though too. Maybe a Moulin Rouge type thing with her lover telling the backstory or something.

pezwitch | May 20, 11:36 CET

I took it to mean that Wonder Woman is immortal.

Simon | May 20, 12:37 CET

Wonder Woman is an Amazon, and hence immortal, to an extent. If you read the comics and have watched the Linda Carter TV show back in the day (God I'm old!) You'll see that the series originally took place in WWII but that the 2nd season had it in 'modern day' times. The Steve Trevor in the 2nd Season was the original Steve Trevor's son (or grandson I can't remember right off the top of my head) but it was the same Wonder Woman.

Muddie | May 20, 15:25 CET

"I am aware that my appearance, by mortal standards, is strange, even unsettling. If I am to be an ambassador of my people, tradition dictates that I look the part. Sadly, those who judge me on my looks alone ignore the causes I champion. Still, when the need arises, I am a warrior."

This is from the back cover of DC's Wonderwoman-Spirit of Truth (Dini and Ross)

As I have been a fan since I was a whippersnapper, I can tell you WW was created in 1941 made her debut in issue #8 of "All Star Comics"--and Hippolyte is her mum. There was a contest on the Paradise Island; she participated unbeknownst to her people (but knownst to us)--Blah Blah---I've always fancied her with Green Lantern; if I was casting this funfest, I would heavily consider Lauren Graham. She is uberSENSATIONAL--"Suprema, the Wonderwoman!"

RavenPurgatory | June 04, 02:54 CET