This site will work and look better in a browser that supports web standards, but it is accessible to any browser or Internet device.

Whedonesque - a community weblog about Joss Whedon
"It doesn't matter, it will still be there. Waiting."
11944 members | you are not logged in | 24 July 2014












January 18 2003

Full transcript of the BBC's Tony Head chat. "I went to drama school - but that's not necessarily for everyone. Some suit it, some don't. In my day it was the easiest way of getting an Equity card."

He was in Woof???? I never knew that. God I used to love that show when I was younger.

"Thank you for the questions. I love doing online chats because you get questions from fans - specific questions, and they are by and large more searching than your average journalist's questions, because there's no pitch or angle."


Too bloody right.
There's a couple problems with Giles going bad now. Problem #1, it's already been done. Willow went bad. And though I see many correlations between what Willow is experiencing now and what little we know about Giles' young adulthood, where he rebelled and dabbled in the black arts and lost a close friend, if they made Giles go bad now it'd look like they were repeating what Willow did in season six. It should be the other way around. Willow's life is mirroring Giles' youth. Not sure if he went bad now if that would be properly communicated.

Problem #2 it'd be a regression of the character. We've seen hints of "Ripper" Giles, like when he intimidated Principal Snyder, or in the initial scene between Giles & Ethan Rayne in "A New Man" when Giles became a Fyoral demon. It's like there's always been a darkness inside Giles but that he has learned over the years how to keep it at bay. Something that Willow is only now beginning to learn. So if he just "went bad" now, it'd be one step forward two steps back for the character, and I don't think it'd be all that rewarding.

Problem #3, there's sort of an unwritten pact between the character and the audience. He is ultimately the one source of honesty & integrity when it comes to those big words and perilous concepts of the unknown. Predominantly because it's been rare if ever that Giles says the wrong thing to others around him and by proxy to the audience. If he were to 'turn evil' suddenly we the audience couldn't trust him. It's something similar to what viewers experienced the first time Angel became Angeles before our eyes. It happened to work with that character, but I think if they broke that unspoken pact with the audience, there would be no recovery for the character.

A show called "Ripper" about a Giles turned evil would be like if "Angel" were 100% about Angeles, and I for one wouldn't want to tune in to a show where the lead character is the bad guy. There's a reason why it's "Dudley Doright" and not "Snidely Whiplash." Who'd tune in to see a cartoon about Snidely Whiplash?
I never thought "Ripper" was a show about evil Giles. It's just a cooler name than "The Watcher," which was also in the running. I thought it was supposed to be a sort of paranormal phenomenon investigator show starring our favorite watcher in England. Last I heard it was planned as a limited series as well, like 8 episodes.
If only there were an "Angelus" show... I don't care for the Angel character, but I love to hate Angelus when he shows up.
David B. really shines as Angelus. Honestly, I think it's the only time he ever acts believably. Mopey must be difficult to convey.
I went to the link but stopped at the spoiler alert. Are there really spoilers for North American viewers?
melsta: no there aren't as far as I can see.
Thanks - I got a little worried reading the comments about a bad Giles!

You need to log in to be able to post comments.
About membership.



joss speaks back home back home back home back home back home