August 24 2005
The Sun Reports Tim Minear's Possible Involvement in Spike TV Movie.
"The Sun Says" that "according to fansite Whedonesque," Tim Minear had lunch with Joss and agreed to write and direct "some blonde vampire movie thing."
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[ edited by zeitgeist on 2005-08-24 22:12 ]
zeitgeist | August 24, 15:11 CET
JoAnnP38 | August 24, 15:12 CET
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zeitgeist | August 24, 15:14 CET
Chris inVirginia | August 24, 15:15 CET
As I've said before, I'm not holding my breath. But I am hoping.
Razor | August 24, 15:16 CET
Still and all, nice props: "according to fansite Whedonesque" . . . I'm guessing the Sun online is pretty darn heavily-visited.
SoddingNancyTribe | August 24, 15:20 CET
Matt_Fabb | August 24, 15:24 CET
electricspacegirl | August 24, 15:25 CET
killinj | August 24, 15:26 CET
JoAnnP38 | August 24, 15:29 CET
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electricspacegirl | August 24, 15:40 CET
esg: that's why I amended the title.
[ETA] Just to be clear, in general I don't trust anything The Sun prints as far as I could spit it. Since we already have trustworthy corroboration of Joss and Tim's conversation, that isn't an issue here. The only newsworthy aspect of this link, IMO, is that it mentions this site.
SoddingNancyTribe | August 24, 15:41 CET
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zeitgeist | August 24, 15:44 CET
JoAnnP38 | August 24, 15:50 CET
Madhatter | August 24, 15:59 CET
Joss said he has a story to tell with Spike. He said it would be a Spike we've never seen before. Joss wouldn't write it if it wasn't a story he needed to tell. I just think there's more to the character that can be explored. For example, on Angel, Spike decided to stay in L.A. when he became corporeal, and go on without Buffy. But you know being with Buffy again was always on his mind. What happens when he goes on from there, after the big Los Angeles apocolypse, and exist without her? I'd like to see him have an epiphany about his relationship with Buffy, and figure out that he can be a Champion without her. Personally, I'd be interested in seeing a new love interest for Spike, but I doubt that's something on 2 hour TV movie would do justice.
Again, I understand where you're coming from, Zeitgeist, but I think that since they did resurrect Spike, and Ats 5 didn't do him justice, a movie can give the writers the opportunity to redeem that.
Oh, and trust me, I'm not criticizing how they wrote Spike on Angel. They just didn't give Spike as much focus as he had on Buffy. I was more interested in the other characters at the time anyway.
And while I'm still on the topic, Illyria anyone? Man, I really want to know more about that character. A Spike/Illyria movie would be fantastic. I'd die happy.
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electricspacegirl | August 24, 16:03 CET
More Amy PLEASE!!!! :)
SpookyRiverFan | August 24, 16:06 CET
zeitgeist | August 24, 16:06 CET
As far as I know, Joss originally intended for Spike to die permanently at the end of Buffy Season 7. He was a part of the requirement for The WB's renewal of Angel for a fifth season though, so they kinda had to comply (and it probably helped viewership). I mean that necklace-soul-saving thing felt kinda contrived. Usually the use of artifacts that important to the plot and characters' lives wasn't so hackneyed in this franchise. There were a few times when they put Spike to good use in Angel Season 5, but for the most part I didn't think he was necessary and there were a lot of times his presence was flat-out annoying.
Marsters is a great actor, but I've seen enough of him as Spike. Will I watch a Spike film? Of course. Do I think there're characters far more in need of further storytelling (Illyria) ? Hell yes. But are they as marketable? Not nearly. If ya can't get SMG or Boreanaz back, Marsters is the next best thing if this is going to air on a network.
[ edited by Kris on 2005-08-24 23:11 ]
Kris | August 24, 16:07 CET
Emma Frost | August 24, 16:15 CET
The only thing I demand (and always receive) from Joss and his colleagues is quality. In whatever form they choose to provide it.
SoddingNancyTribe | August 24, 16:20 CET
(Because that? Kinda funny.)
Caroline | August 24, 16:29 CET
Allyson | August 24, 16:31 CET
Madhatter | August 24, 16:42 CET
JoAnnP38 | August 24, 16:43 CET
I find it funny the way people quotes Whedonesque stuff.
The other day I saw, a brazilian site linking for Veronica Mars' thread from Joss, and they called WHedonesque -quote - "Joss personal weblog" -end quote.
I wasn't even sure If I was supposed to correct them, without sounding to obnoxious.
Now onto Spike movie. I'm really curious about how they'll twist it, because it'll surely be somethign different from BtVS and Angel.
Numfar PTB | August 24, 17:04 CET
When I read the article I took the headline to be something beyond what one could infer from Tim's quote here on Whedonesque. Didn't you?
No, because the story, the info, the source, etc had been discussed here and verified before, as others have mentioned. I guess you must have missed it when it was posted last week. It would be easy to, with the rate stuff gets posted here!
Caroline | August 24, 17:15 CET
Oh and talking of iconic
Destiny
Hellbound
A Hole In The World
Damage
NFA
All had some truly great Spike moments
yes there were times when I felt Spike's character was being written slightly * off* in ATS5 but boy when it all came togther it was fantastic
it would have been worth it all just for that moment in Damage
" she's an innocent victim"
" So were we once upon a time"
And of course that last shot in the alley
" So, in terms of a plan?"
" We fight"..........
"Let's go to work"
* sob*
debw | August 24, 17:19 CET
lone fashionable wolf | August 24, 17:29 CET
With another...sob.
nixygirl | August 24, 19:04 CET
Aieee! A temporal vortex!
Aieee! A temporal vortex!
Aieee! A temporal vortex!...
bookrats | August 24, 19:06 CET
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jaynelovesvera | August 24, 19:11 CET
I don't want to discount any of the above comments as they are certainly valid opinions. But with that said, I don’t think that I could buy in to a new love interest. Above all else and to his very core, Spike is an unflinching romantic. He doesn’t let go easily. He remained steadfast to Dru for over a century despite her obsession/dalliances with Angel and his resulting insecurities. Surely, the source of his redemption would warrant equal devotion. I find it difficult to believe that he could reconcile his feelings for Buffy in such a pragmatic fashion. And in my opinion, his “moving on” sentiment in TGiQ is mere lip service. This is not to say that he could not continue his journey with those feelings unresolved and lurking ever present.
I don’t mean to sound all ‘shippy, really. To me, it is ultimately about the characterization of Spike to which I have grown so fond.
I choose to live in my own little world where Spike loves intensely and despite all logic. And there, Spike loves Buffy. I don’t want to move out anytime soon. Not to sound fanatical (er, more fanatical).
Rank Amateur | August 24, 19:35 CET
Illyria is not as marketable to the general public as Spike is (this is a numbers thing, and maybe I'm wrong, but I've not seen nearly as fervent a fanbase for Illyria/Amy Acker as I have for Spike/James Marsters) but I think she must be a key player in any Spike story post-Angel S5.
And I agree with Madhatter - a Spike and Illyria story (trying to stay away from the /) is very much in Tim's bailiwick. Illyria is nothing if not broken, and her road to wholeness is something I'd love to see him do. It makes me sad just to think about the chance that he never got to write for her on the show.
Kiba | August 24, 19:38 CET
We're fans, fer cryin' out loud!
Willowy | August 24, 19:45 CET
All I have ever said is that whatever story Joss wants to create, I want to watch it. Joss is Boss.
electricspacegirl | August 24, 20:03 CET
Dear, sweet, filthy, William is likely my favorite TV/film character of all time, so it is with a heavy heart that I am forced to admit that he may not be best served by yet another resurrection. But admit it, i will. Perhaps it's best to let Spike lie. (preferably at my house, while he's forgotten to pack his j's. and here's also hoping zeitgeist doesn't return to this thread to catch that ; ) )
Of course, I'd be foaming at the mouth and counting down the minutes to a Spike movie, were it to be made, but it'd be with one hand over my eyes, remembering how awkward, how silly, and how embarassing I felt his stint on Angel turned out, for the most part, to be.
barest_smidgen | August 24, 21:02 CET
It's perfectly Jossian in its depth and layering!
sari | August 24, 21:25 CET
I do think a movie without either Buffy or Angel in it sounds like it could work for Spike, as a character. It made sense that he behaved as he did around Angel in S5, but it wasn't very fun to watch. And the Buffy story is over, so I don't want to see that.
Anyhow - go Spike movie!!
sari | August 24, 21:30 CET
Barest_smidgen, but in a Spike movie, Spike would have all the focus. And that's where he SHINES. I have always been under the assumption that Spike, Angel, and Illyria made it out of the alley alive after NFA. Because Joss insinuated as much. I tend to forget there are folks that believe they all died. If that is what happened, then I wouldn't want Spike brought back. But he was brought back from the dead, and I feel he needs his due. Angel got his due. I don't feel there is much more to say about him after 8 seasons of his story.
However, if I may offer up an idea I came up with for a Buffyverse big screen movie... My thought has been that if Buffy is allowed to go big screen, it would have to be a huge, epic plot that ties in with the larger arcs of both the Buffy and Angel series. Some Big Bad event happens caused by Buffy sharing her powers, and connects with Angel's dealings in W&H, on an enormous global scale. My first thought was why not think bigger than globally, how about Buffy in space? Space Buffy! But Buffy was always just about this world. Maybe it could deal with other dimensions and possibly The First Slayer.
I don't actually know what the plot would be, exactly. But it would involve all of the key players: Buffy, Angel, Willow, Xander, Giles, Spike, Dawn, Tara (bringing her back from the dead), Wesley, Fred (Illyria), and even possibly Lilah and Holland Manners. Give everyone an important task in the biggest apocalypse ever. Lots of magic and demons and slaying and good stuff like that. Resolve issues left hanging. I guess it's always been my dream to see Buffy finally end up with one of her favorite vampires, but I know that's not going to happen.
Anyway, I think there is still a story to tell with Buffy. It just has to be on a grand, epic scale. One thought is to show us the final battle that was mentioned in Fray, where demons are banished from this world and the Slayer line goes dead.
Ok, that was a bit off-topic, but I couldn't help myself. I don't think the story of Buffy is dead. I mean, she's still living a life in fiction-land. I'd sure love to see what she's up to, and what that whole Immortal business was about.
electricspacegirl | August 24, 21:48 CET
She says as if I don't read every post here :) At this point I'm tempted to remind barest_smidgen of just how many windows she has at her house... no, that's okay, William, just lay right there in front of the window. What's that? The burning smell? Oh, surely its just some toast that my love left in the toaster too long- silly girl! I'll go check on it, poppet, don't you fuss, now (this being the green-eyed monster/comedic effect version).
alternately: Alright, William, but you have to make it believable, I need some good bruises and some bleeding so she'll buy your 'escape' and not think that I just untied you and set you free. Hurry up with the Wheetabix and blood, man, for goodness sake, she'll be home any minute! Now, hit me!
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zeitgeist | August 24, 23:07 CET
Oh, what was the topic? Spike? Oh, yeah. Go, Spike tv movie!
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electricspacegirl | August 24, 23:38 CET
samatwitch | August 25, 00:00 CET
ETA: lest you think I'm kissing my own arse, allow me to point out that I am in actuality kissing barest_smidgen's. And as we both stopped paying our Whe-date membership dues (no need now, you see), I'm really just being a good pitchman and talking up the potential Whe-dates that await electricspacegirl and the rest of you on this site. ~makes talky motion with hand~ Zeitgeist shut up and go sleep now...
p.s. -- awaits Madhatter's inevitable 'love is in the air... please kill me' follow up :)) also, would love to see a Fray flick.
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zeitgeist | August 25, 00:09 CET
electricspacegirl | August 25, 00:18 CET
zeitgeist | August 25, 00:19 CET
One thought is to show us the final battle that was mentioned in Fray, where demons are banished from this world and the Slayer line goes dead.
This is my dream too, esg: Panoramic, big-screen Joss with all the major players embroiled in a genuinely earthshaking 'verse event. Makes me all a-quiver in my nethers!
And a Fray movie
with Kristen Bell as Melaka, if anyone has missed my fixation with this ideais not far behind.Wiseblood | August 25, 01:15 CET
I'd totally be there! Granted, I'd probably sitting in the corner talking to a French monkey, but I'd still be there!
Wiseblood, right there with you on a Fray movie,
starring Kristen Bell,Right there with you....So, I take it you're single then? ;)
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electricspacegirl | August 25, 01:29 CET
So, so SO there.
Emma Frost | August 25, 02:53 CET
Now I have this image of a Whedonesque disco like the ones we had at school....some of us dancing joyfully with our hearts desire, some wallflowers...and some sneaking out for cans of cider and a quick cigarette. Ah! memories....and who's that fumbling behind the bike sheds?
Also, a Spike movie with Faith and Illyria, dammit!
lone fashionable wolf | August 25, 03:05 CET
That's me, I dropped the damn bike lock and I can't find it in the friggin' dark and I rode all this way to this silly ass party just to see my first french monkey and my cousin's gonna kill my ass (arse if you prefer) if someone steals his damn bike while I'm in there watching this freakin' french monkey get all the chicks and...
jaynelovesvera | August 25, 04:39 CET
But I just hate the idea that Buffy's actions in "Chosen" were ultimately fruitless. I thought it was a great idea that in the future there will always be hundreds of slayers and that there is no Chosen One anymore, and that Buffy and her friends have altered the world forever. It would also even the odds for the Slayers against vampires. But in Fray's time, the slayer line was practically dead, with Fray herself not inheriting the subconscious memories of her predecessors, and no Watcher's Council to speak of.
Sure, it's implied that Buffy or any slayer after her managed to banish the demons after an apocalyptic battle, but in Fray's time vampires still exist. I think the message brought up in both Buffy and Angel, most prominently in "Not Fade Away" is that the fight never stops, that there will always be evil, and that there will always be good people around to stop it.
I like to think that Giles managed to rebuild the Watcher's Council, without the rigid rules and out-of-date traditions, to make it more effective, and that the slayers throughout the world would manage to control the vampire and demon population. I don't want it to be eradicated completely, because that would defeat the message of "evil will always exist". And every so often a particularly nasty or powerful foe might spring up, but that it will be defeated eventually. This would continue for hundreds of years.
That's just my vision of what I would have liked to have happen. The idea that the army of slayers does not exist anymore, even though there is still need for it, is disappointing. But who knows, perhaps Fray is on a completely different planet? Perhaps there are slayers all over the world unaware of one another? There wasn't really any one person that definitely told Fray the whole truth, so there are a lot of possibilites.
Razor | August 25, 05:59 CET
electricspacegirl: Well thought out, you, and well-said. You've got me thinking, for sure. (As a point of clarification, when I said I felt Spike might not be best served by yet another 'resurrection' didn't mean I felt he had died, just meant another 'retelling.' Sometimes, me too much with the too-close-to-literal metaphor.) The Spike and Illyria dynamic barely had a chance to be explored; it was, indeed, delicious and I'd be the first in line to sign up for that pay-per-view, were it to come to pass. I'm just still reeling a bit from how I felt Angel S5 diminished Chosen.
I mean, I adore the character and his story. I couldn't get enough of him with Buffy, messy and damaged as it was. But I loved, loved, loved him with Drusilla. Hell, I even loved him with Harmony, cackled at the hints that he'd been with Angel and ate up the cringe-worthy come-on from his mother. And I speak solely of who he's been with because more than any character we've known, that's what he was about. So, Chosen seemed to pay that off in two very satisfying ways: 1) he stayed true-to-form, choosing the grand gesture to win over the girl, and 2) he grew in ways heretofore unimaginable, by choosing a selfless act that would forever separate him from that girl. Bittersweet. Brilliant. Left me wanting more. Which, though it pains me to admit, is how it should be. (Anyone remember Joanie Loves Chachi? I wish I didn't.)
And re: Whe-Dating, esg, why don't you found the first official chapter? You are funny, fun, articulate, compassionate and smart.... what a perfect host for others of like-mind, looking to connect. (See above for Whedonesquers being a damn funny bunch.) Don't wait for it to happen, girl. Make it so!
and zeitgeist: *blinks innocently* Oh, gosh...you stopped paying your..? You thought that we....? *draws shades closed for pale houseguest* This is certainly awkward. It's just that... well, I'm still... on occasion, I... well, it's sorta how I met Spi... *clears throat nervously* Could we, um, talk about this later? In private? You know, not in front of everyone at W-esque...?
barest_smidgen | August 25, 07:25 CET
barest_smidgen -- hey, but you said no shari-- ESPECIALLY with the undea-- but... *sulk*... alternately -- *tackle* hush, you...
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zeitgeist | August 25, 07:30 CET
For whatever reason (i'm sure Joss would come up with a better one than i could) the act that brings about this event will also cut of the power of the slayer from the earth dimension and so all the girls that are slayers at that time, Buffy and Faith included, will return to their human selves. When the slayerline is activated again and Fray is called the old rules return and there is only one chosen one at any one time.
I's just a theory i've considered but it does nicely tie together the central themes of Buffy, Angel and Fray. If Joss happens to read this and wants to use it as a plot for a Buffy/Angel movie trilogy i'll have no objections ... although a writer's credit would be nice! ;)
WhedonTrivia | August 25, 08:13 CET
zeitgeist | August 25, 08:18 CET
Whatever the case, I want to see it! It would definitely be the end of the story thought. Are we ready for that?
And re: Whe-Dating, esg, why don't you found the first official chapter? You are funny, fun, articulate, compassionate and smart.... what a perfect host for others of like-mind, looking to connect. (See above for Whedonesquers being a damn funny bunch.) Don't wait for it to happen, girl. Make it so!
*Faints from complement overload* Thanks, sweetie!
Well, I envision a Whedonesque dating service as being a personals website and I know nothing about creating a website. I can't think of any other forum that would be right for that sort of thing. If you have any ideas, let me know.
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electricspacegirl | August 25, 08:47 CET
zeitgeist | August 25, 08:51 CET
electricspacegirl | August 25, 08:59 CET
As for whether or not we are ready for the end of the story, well if this did end up being made in some way, shape or form then it wouldn't be any time soon as it would need both Sarah and David on board. Therefore there would be plenty of time to get in some more tales from the slayerverse in telemovie, mini series or, better yet, actual third series form. Then a movie trilogy such as this to bring all the tales and characters back together for one final apocalyptic blowout. I think i would be okay with the story ending at that point if it really felt like the story was done and dusted (pardon the vamp pun).
WhedonTrivia | August 25, 09:03 CET
Well if Dru did shanshu, it would kill her. Without her guiltless vampire self, she'd be broken and devasted by her countless brutal acts. She's so mentally fragile anyway...I think she'd fling herself off a cliff.
Willowy | August 25, 09:04 CET
I'd love to see stories about how Buffy and Faith deal with a lack of physical power. It's so much who they are - how do they handle themselves without it?
re: the Whedonesque dating service, I'm forming all kinds of ideas in my head wondering if such a thing could actually work. And if it mightn't be possible to make it *free*. Having an entrepreneurial spirit is such a PAIN sometimes.
Kiba | August 25, 09:23 CET
Caroline | August 25, 09:27 CET
electricspacegirl | August 25, 09:30 CET
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LOL!
Jonas | August 25, 09:36 CET
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Ben Brown | August 25, 14:45 CET
So, let met get this straight you thought it was perfectly reasonable that the Sun posts a headline that "Buffy movies in the works" based on the posts here at Whedonesque???? I don't think that is very logical -- buy hey, to each their own. The Sun's conclusion IS beyond what can be inferred from the posts here. This sites own follow up confirms that.
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newcj | August 25, 17:15 CET
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