Return of 'All the Serenity reviews you will ever need to read'.
Part deux of Whedonesque's coverage of the massive amount of Serenity reviews that are going around at the moment. All links to online newspaper/magazine/blog reviews of Serenity are to be posted in the comments section of this thread.
Here's the link to the previous review thread
What should be posted in this particular thread:
Post the movie review link and where it's from i.e. the New York Times.
Include a brief blurb regarding whether the reviewer liked or disliked the the movie (find a quote you like).
State whether the review has spoilers in it (minor or major).
And please do not talk about spoilers in this thread.
September 29 2005
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crossoverman | September 29, 17:25 CET
"The loyalists - who clamored for more when "Firefly" was canceled in 2002 after just 11 episodes - should be satisfied with "Serenity," Whedon's feature directing debut, but the uninitiated will find it engaging, as well."
3 out of 5.
gossi | September 29, 17:31 CET
"Serenity" has a few high points that make the movie worth renting once it comes to video, which probably won't be that long."
gossi | September 29, 17:34 CET
"Mindless Whedonites, who believe the man to be God Almighty, will find no fault. But even devoted lovers of the character-centered drama must prepare themselves for disappointment. "
gossi | September 29, 17:36 CET
"Whedon has an unusual gift - he can have his characters make a sincere comment, then he can make fun of it, and you will believe him both times. He's ironic, but he's also earnest, and even the title of the movie reveals that double-edged coin: It's an action movie, a very actiony action movie, and yet it's called "Serenity."
2 and a half stars.
gossi | September 29, 17:41 CET
"
Based on the canceled 2002 TV series, "Firefly," this film will satisfy old fans and win new ones, especially teen sci-fi action buffs. Writer/director Joss Whedon dumbs nothing down, letting novices scope out the world of "Serenity" with minimal exposition.
"
Complains about violence and mentioning DIRTY SEX (many reviewers are doing this).
gossi | September 29, 17:44 CET
"Whedon hasn't made the hyperjump between small- and big-screen composition. Serenity is visually noisy, with the restless jitteriness that is the way of distinguishing a TV show from a film at one glance.
Against these economical but reassuring backgrounds, Whedon stages a yarn about space Apaches, blazing carbines and a captain who doesn't stick his neck out for anybody. George Lucas may make sure every window on an imperial palace gleams in a different way, but he's long forgotten the good, dirty, meaty storytelling that's in Whedon's blood. "
gossi | September 29, 17:47 CET
Simon | September 29, 17:51 CET
gossi | September 29, 17:55 CET
SpikeBad | September 29, 17:56 CET
Bremerton Sun - reg required, spoilers
""Serenity" takes the little TV show that couldn't and turns it into a feature film that could. "
gossi | September 29, 18:00 CET
DArtagnan | September 29, 18:01 CET
DArtagna, why are these reviews depressing you? They've been largely glowing to pretty good.
phlebotinin | September 29, 18:03 CET
gossi | September 29, 18:05 CET
[ edited by gossi on 2005-09-29 16:07 ]
gossi | September 29, 18:06 CET
Try Capone's one instead (Minor spoilers).
Simon | September 29, 18:19 CET
DArtagnan | September 29, 18:38 CET
I really have no expectations at this point, I’m just thrilled I finally get to say “I’m going to see Serenity this weekend” (in a cool new theater with stadium seating, no less). What I care about most is seeing these characters again and being entertained without my brain rotting out because then I really would be a “mindless Whedonite” and the chip on the shoulder film critics will have won!
bloodflowers | September 29, 18:41 CET
I'm amused by the person who thinks joss hasn't escaped his TV roots because of how hangs are messily framed and such. Uhm. That's kinda a deliberate effort, not "Oh shit we hired a duff steadycam guy".
gossi | September 29, 18:42 CET
The New York Times, Entertainment Weekly, Los Angeles Times, USA Today, The Associated Press, New York Magazine, San Francisco Chronicle And Many Others Have Written About This Extraordinary, Growing Phenomenon.
NOW DISCOVER FOR YOURSELF WHY "SERENITY" IS THE NEXT GREAT SCIENCE FICTION ADVENTURE.
STARTS TOMORROW AT THEATERS EVERYWHERE
Chris inVirginia | September 29, 18:46 CET
DArtagnan | September 29, 18:52 CET
As for bad reviews, gossi is no doubt right.But at least the majority of them so far have been good.
As for the New York Times ad, I like it but I'd like it a lot more if it contained actual quotes about how good the movie is. Seen by some eyes, the ad might look like a creepy cult thing. Just my opinion.
phlebotinin | September 29, 18:59 CET
Grounded | September 29, 19:04 CET
"So here we have the man who made his name with a failed movie-turned-successful tv show trying to turn his failed tv show into a successful movie, buoyed by the support of Firefly’s die-hard community of fans. Those fans will be glad to find the film version, entitled Serenity, with the entire cast in place, exactly the same as the show: brilliantly funny, well-characterized, poorly paced, terribly uneven, confusing as hell, and quite enjoyable."
Dachelle | September 29, 19:12 CET
gossi | September 29, 19:19 CET
zeitgeist | September 29, 19:27 CET
"A blisteringly entertaining and wonderfully unique concoction, Joss Whedon's SERENITY may have been born from a failed TV series, yet floats into multiplexes as one of the cleverest, crankiest, wittiest, wildest, and most character-driven sci-fi adventures in 25 years, and it's the best outer-space trip I've been on since the empire struck back."
and "This flick is not only a wondrous piece of science-fiction adventure; it's an absolute homage to science-fiction itself. Don't just turn your nose up because it's an odd concept starring no-name actors. You'd still feel pretty silly, to this day, if you were the guy who once yelled "Jawas? Tractor beams? Mark Hamill? Nah, I'll just stay home and watch Welcome Back Kotter.""
EdDantes | September 29, 19:30 CET
Don't these "film reviewers" know about cinema verité? Don't they ever watch documentary films?
MissKittysMom | September 29, 19:33 CET
The sad truth is that for all the critics' complaints about the current formulaic state of Hollywood, when something comes along that actually *is* different and goes against conventional rules, many of them don't really know what to do with it.
[ edited by EdDantes on 2005-09-29 17:59 ]
EdDantes | September 29, 19:58 CET
tehipite_tom | September 29, 20:05 CET
zeitgeist | September 29, 20:07 CET
DArtagnan | September 29, 20:24 CET
Meanwhile, the Firefly DVDs are up to #7 in the Amazon (US) list. This is our week, people.
phlebotinin | September 29, 20:37 CET
"If you’re already going to see this movie, if you’re a Browncoated fan of the television show, just know that Serenity is not Firefly. It’s like a concentrated dose of Firefly, where the stakes are higher and the mood is darker. It’s still going to be jarring, big and overwhelming, and you should see it again and again."
RavenU | September 29, 20:41 CET
The author writes reviews for Video Librarian, which is often used by public libraries to determine which DVDs to add to their collections.
killinj | September 29, 20:55 CET
Mostly positive review. No spoilers.
"you may want to brush up on the series before venturing into the theater. For God's sake, don't let the hardcore fans smell virgin blood."
Hjermsted | September 29, 21:05 CET
"Reminded me of Ghosts of Mars, but a lot better" - guy in comic book shop that Simon who posts at Whedonesque talks to.
Simon | September 29, 21:14 CET
Hey! I was gonna post her review! I've been posting her Firefly reviews for days! You took it from me!
Ahem.....sorry....I'm okay now....
"Reminded me of Ghosts of Mars, but a lot better" - guy in comic book shop that Simon who posts at Whedonesque talks to.
Hmmm, are those up on Rottentomatoes yet?;-)
EdDantes | September 29, 21:27 CET
Matt likes it: "I have to own Serenity".
Cindy doen't: "Too Choreographed".
They call it fun, good but not great. But again, they say that it's not quite a movie for a non-scifi fan and a looks too much like a TV Show.
They also review "A History of Violence" in this cast, and they give a more positive review for "A History of Violence", rather than for "Serenity"
[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2005-09-29 19:34 ]
Numfar PTB | September 29, 21:33 CET
I'm actually not sure what to make of the radio ads that completely hype the popularity of the screenings but really tell you nothing about the movie. Especially since they don't sound like movie ads and I didn't even realize I was listening to a Serenity ad the first time I heard it. On the other hand, I've heard them several times (when I haven't changed channels when commercials came on), which is gratifying. And I've seen so many TV commercials that my poor bf, who was trying to avoid seeing trailers or commercials or anything even minorly spoilery, has inadvertently almost watched 2 commercials and watched a 3rd yesterday while poking through our DVR menu b/c they just kept coming on =).
As for these reviews, I really appreciate this thread and I know I'll be revisiting it and its predecessor after I watch the movie. I kept clicking on reviews yesterday and getting inadvertently spoiled for some plot detail or the other, so it's nice getting the highlights of the general gist of the reviews without the actual spoilers. Thanks!
teenes | September 29, 21:37 CET
Well, speaking strictly on filmmaking merits, I'd probably give "A HIstory of Violence" a stronger review too... But they're totally different sort of films, not really comparable. "Violence' is a "serious" (not necessarily better) film, while Serenity is much more about entertainment and being a really fun popcorn flick that tells a great story. Again, doesn't make one necessarily better or more worth seeing, but Violence is (totally IMO) the more taut, better-made film, with a bit more "meaning" to it, and one that will probably garner a lot of attention come awards time. Not nearly as much fun as Serenity, though, and no good quips :-) Plus, some seriously gruesome violence, as one might expect from the title.
acp | September 29, 21:43 CET
"Serenity isn’t so much a glorified episode of the series as the apotheosis of Firefly’s aborted potential. All of Whedon’s series have managed to juggle several disparate genres—comedy, action, horror—but Serenity does it so deftly, so surely, that it stands out from any other sci-fi film you’ve ever seen."
Not sure if it's ok to post my own stuff (and if it's not, by all means take it down), but just wanted to share the love.
aeron | September 29, 21:48 CET
Hah! That actually reminds me of Amadeus, where the Emperor says there's 'too many notes' in Mozart's opera! I guess action scenes should all be pure improv....
Btw, this is just me nitpicking but on Rottentomatoes, there's 14 positive reviews against 4 negative ones, and somehow the 'meter' is still claiming there's only 11 reviews in total. Is that standard refreshing schedule or are they just lazy?
EdDantes | September 29, 21:52 CET
sidenote -- History of Violence is based on a comic, which is fun. Heard a lot of good things about it and will make time to check it out post-Serenity opener and Mirrormask.
zeitgeist | September 29, 21:54 CET
bobothebrave | September 29, 22:34 CET
The review itself doesn't seem that much more positive than the dozens of other thumbs ups that we've been seeing, but the reviewers gives Serenity 4.5 stars, which kicks the metacritic score back up to 70, after being brought down by the LA Weekly.
There's a major spoiler in the review, although without specific details.
[ edited by bobothebrave on 2005-09-29 21:44 ]
bobothebrave | September 29, 22:44 CET
(SPOILERS) Ebert's review. (SPOILERS)
3 out of 4 stars.
We're halfway to "two thumbs up."
The One True b!X | September 29, 23:11 CET
phlebotinin | September 29, 23:15 CET
And while we're at it, my (positive, non-spoilery) review is here.
tehipite_tom | September 29, 23:16 CET
eta: thanks for heads up on the typo of 22 good instead of 22 total.
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2005-09-29 21:47 ]
zeitgeist | September 29, 23:19 CET
A rave from Ella Taylor or Scott Foundas would have been better, of course, but their tastes are pretty dang unpredictable too, though more mainstream friendly, at least in principle.
Still, things are shaping up very, very nicely. In fact, maybe it's good that it's not getting COMPLETE critical hosannas. I'm only half kidding when I say that too much of that stuff might actually depress box office or even hurt it's "legs" by creating overly exalted expectations.
To me, "Serenity" is the kind of movie that critics wind-up re-evaluating later on. Just watch, when the sequel comes out (and it will) at least one of the critics who gave it mixed review/pan will suddenly the first one great and but this second one, not so much.
bobster | September 29, 23:29 CET
k8cre8 | September 29, 23:30 CET
So much to keep up with! Not that I mind, heh.
The One True b!X | September 29, 23:41 CET
Certified fresh! Finally that "Horrible" review is getting buried.
(and it's 17 good, 5 bad, 22 total)
jam2 | September 29, 23:42 CET
Oh yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. I can almost see those reviews now.
As for Ebert, well, color me surprised. Didn't expect him to like it. In the old days, with Siskel, I liked Siskel better, but I think now I've found myself going with Ebert more than with Roeper. But who knows, he may like it as well. Anyway, it's good one to have in our corner.
EdDantes | September 29, 23:44 CET
bonzob | September 29, 23:50 CET
Knuckleball | September 30, 00:13 CET
k8cre8 | September 30, 00:27 CET
Chicago Tribune staff reporter 3½ stars (out of four
And oh, what a movie it is. "Serenity" is a brash, funny, action-packed bit of sci-fi ecstasy—and a giant raspberry to the execs who let "Firefly" fall out of the sky.
I'm so sorry that I don't know how to get this link in here. Can someone help and do this for me? It's such a GREAT review!!!
[ edited by Equalitynow on 2005-09-29 22:46 ]
[ edited by Equalitynow on 2005-09-29 22:49 ]
Equalitynow | September 30, 00:43 CET
tehipite_tom | September 30, 00:53 CET
Equalitynow | September 30, 01:04 CET
http://filmthreat.com/Reviews.asp?Id=7993
I'm not sure exactly how to link stuff(sorry!).
[ edited by Danica on 2005-09-29 23:09 ]
Danica | September 30, 01:08 CET
The One True b!X | September 30, 01:14 CET
Only instead of the brackets, use the sideways carat thingies (above the comma and period on your keyboard).
tehipite_tom | September 30, 01:28 CET
Also, Rotten Tomatoes is now at 80%. [Oops, never mind--that's the Cream of the Crop percentage.]
[ edited by tehipite_tom on 2005-09-29 23:38 ]
[ edited by tehipite_tom on 2005-09-29 23:40 ]
tehipite_tom | September 30, 01:38 CET
It's not a "professional" site but it has 30-some reviews, and as an avid fan of film, I'm hoping y'all will find my opinion just as valid as that of the critics...
My review at Reel Picks - Minor spoilers, with some hinting at bigger things
**** out of ****, natch, being a Browny-coated kinda guy.
UnpluggedCrazy | September 30, 01:49 CET
[ edited by The Devil's Robot on 2005-09-30 00:22 ]
[ edited by The Devil's Robot on 2005-09-30 00:27 ]
The Devil's Robot | September 30, 02:21 CET
Wow that's a really bad one. Man, I still have yet to encounter a negative review that isn't just bitchy name calling. Lemme see:
-one critic didn't even remember why they wanted River, (did he actually watch??)
-one dubbed Mal 'an obvious stand-in for Whedon himself' (shows what she knows)
-one actually expressed his hatred of the fans' happiness and his glee at the shows' cancellation, (I visualize this moustache-twirling villain somehow)
-one somehow believes that River is called a 'death machine' in the opening sequence. (Pay more attention next time Harry, thanks)
-Some complained it was 'too much like a TV show' and others that it 'wasn't enough like the TV show'. (we should put them in a room together)
-One complained that they had old technology among new stuff. And why guns weren't more developped. (It's very simple: right now, most of the earth does NOT own a computer or a cell phone either. Why would every poor person in the future own all the good stuff? See what the idea is there?)
-and now this one that Devil's Robot just mentioned that feels that somehow this is all teeny-bopper stuff (Mal, a 'college student'... Did any of them actually watch it?)
Really, I'm willing to hear the movie's weaker elements pointed out, or some well argumented piece, or even an honest admission that taste will simply always be a factor. But so far all the truly negative ones have been of this rather poor caliber. And a lot of them actually get paid.
EdDantes | September 30, 02:59 CET
[ edited by spikeangellover on 2005-09-30 01:14 ]
spikeangellover | September 30, 03:09 CET
(One funny thing, he seems to think that River is played by Jewel Staite. I love it when movie sites get their facts straight. But he's a fan so he's forgiven;-)
EdDantes | September 30, 03:50 CET