Whedonesque : Comments on 8471 : (SPOILER) Serenity Deleted Scenes Listing.

I am liking the fact Mal and Inara's half kiss is back...

[ edited by zeitgeist to add inviso-love on 2005-10-12 17:35 ]

gossi | October 12, 19:33 CET

Yeah I saw this on the Browncoat board. Happy, happy. Can't wait to see them. But I gotta say I wonder which 'quiet Mal/Inara moment it is. There are two scenes in the script that didn't make it to the final cut that qualify. One on Serenity after they 'Reaver it all up' and one on Miranda after watching the message.

EdDantes | October 12, 19:44 CET

Ed - I think it's the later.

You know what I'm hoping for? A version of the DVD with all the violence restored. I'm pretty the March cut I saw had a lot more violence and adult language.

gossi | October 12, 19:47 CET

Yay. That is all. So, um....December 20th is no longer a viable DVD release date, or...?

pat32082 | October 12, 19:53 CET

Sheydra?

killinj | October 12, 19:58 CET

Is this coming out Dec. 20th in the U.S.?

nakedandarticulate | October 12, 20:00 CET

I think these are the corresponding pages in the script from The Visual Companion but it's tough to be sure;

00:00:21:21 (EXTENDED LILAC ENTRANCE) P 85 (?)
00:01:05:20 (EXTENDED KAYLEE AND JAYNE) ?
00:02:18:20 (INARA AND SHEYDRA) P79 -> 83
00:02:12:15 (OPERATIVE TRACKS MAL) ?
00:02:22:05 (EXTENDED RIVER AND SIMON/HAVEN OPENING) P 98 (?)
00:01:27:16 (ESCAPE FROM COMPANION TRAINING HOUSE) P 112
00:00:13:17 (MAL AND INARA SHUTTLE CHASE) P 112
00:02:16:04 (MAL AND INARA QUIET MOMENT) P 122
00:01:06:20 (EXTENDED MAL AND OPERATIVE CODA) P 156

[ edited by zeitgeist to add inviso-text on 2005-10-12 18:09 ]

technovamp | October 12, 20:03 CET

How about Invisio texting those, technovamp? Thems spoilers!
Thanks, zeitgeist.

[ edited by Lioness on 2005-10-12 18:17 ]

Lioness | October 12, 20:05 CET

Very shiny!

I find the whole idea of director's cuts odd, I can see reasons for and against. Someone like Peter Jackson is loathe to lose any material, so the extended versions are massive, in fact sometimes I would watch the LotR trilogy in six parts. But I really think it's nice having extra material, and it makes it feel more like a novel than a film, with more character development.

Joss, on the other hand, said he isn't a big fan, and that if something is sacrificed because it isn't necessary, perhaps it's better staying that way. And you also have issues of pacing which can become a problem.

Generally, I think I'm for them, as long as the new stuff that is added actually deepends the story or whatever, and to really justify the extra length. I am excited about these scenes, because they do seem like they'll add some new stuff without making the film too long or bloated.

Razor | October 12, 20:34 CET

Sheydra?

Sheydra is a compainion at the training house who's friends with Irana. Sheydra and Irana talk about her relationship with Mal and her time on Serenity. Having read the dialogue in the Visual Compainion it's a really great scene that I can't wait to see.

Matt_Fabb | October 12, 20:37 CET

I hope these are put back in the film and not shown in a seperate "deleted scenes" section. I believe most of these scenes were also included in the novelization too. It's hard to remember because of seeing the movie and reading the books more than once my poor brain is getting them mixed up.

Firefly Flanatic | October 12, 20:57 CET

These scenes sound great and I'm thinking that we may end the need to use spoiler tags in the next couple of weeks.

Simon | October 12, 21:05 CET

Yeah - we hope it's the latter. That was the scene that I wished would have been kept in. So my luck is - it will be omited. I also have the Visual Companion and think really could have helped the Inara/Mal story. Especially if there doesn't look like there could be a sequel.

Anyway, I think it's much too soon for us to rely on information as hard fact. I'll wait to see a Universal release or something before I get too worked up.

[ edited by CinJudes on 2005-10-12 19:24 ]

CinJudes | October 12, 21:23 CET

Given that Joss has said the released version is the director's cut, don't expect to see these scenes inserted into place in the DVD. It seems fairly evident from his statements that things like this will just be in a "deleted scenes" section, much like the deleted or changed scenes on the Firefly DVDs.

The One True b!X | October 12, 21:42 CET

Really wish more people would use branching for deleted scenes in spite of what Joss said. I thought about inviso-text-ing Sheydra, just because it would've made a really fun looking couple of posts ;)

zeitgeist | October 12, 21:45 CET

Any word whether the December 20th release of the DVD, if that rumor is true, will be in region one or two?

Madhatter | October 12, 22:10 CET

Any word whether the December 20th release of the DVD, if that rumor is true, will be in region one or two?

Pure speculation, but given that the only place that's had any information whatsoever on what will even be on DVD has been out of the UK, I tend to suspect that release date is UK also.

The One True b!X | October 12, 22:12 CET

"Extended Simon and River" has a chance of being really, really corny. The scripted ending of that scene just didn't read very well. "Extended Jayne and Kaylee" is only to going to have one or two extra lines of dialogue.

The Dark Shape | October 12, 22:27 CET

Ah, great! I haven't finished reading the script in the Visual companion yet, but thanks for writing down the presumed corresponding pages, technovamp. I'll make a note of 'em, so that I know while reading "this might be on the DVD".

Is this still for the 'light' DVD release, by the way? Or are we just having one release now? Anyone know?

GVH | October 12, 22:37 CET

I don't think that I'm going out on a limb when I say that everyone here has seen the film. More than once. Likely more than twice! So, my question is, is there REALLY a need to still be on such Super Code Red Spoiler Security? Who are we all still tip toeing around?!?! Call me crazy (go on, I dare you!) but I'm of the opinion that 99.9% of the fine souls on this site aren't wide-eyed newbies to the hallowed Whedonverse. We ALL know what happens!

Inara's Spongebath | October 12, 23:05 CET

Given that Joss has said the released version is the director's cut, don't expect to see these scenes inserted into place in the DVD. It seems fairly evident from his statements that things like this will just be in a "deleted scenes" section, much like the deleted or changed scenes on the Firefly DVDs.

Ditto.
I did however saved older verions of some of the Firefly episodes without the DVD enhacements, it's nice to watch both versions, wished could do the same about those deleted scenes.

Don't really know what I'm complaining about, I haven't even watched the movie myself.

Is this still for the 'light' DVD release, by the way? Or are we just having one release now? Anyone know?

I bet there's still two releases. These deleted scenes will probably be part of the single disc release. If my predictions are right, those viral marketing videos and something from those comicon panels, will only be availalbe in the later on buffed up double disk release.

I don't think that I'm going out on a limb when I say that everyone here has seen the film. More than once. Likely more than twice!

Well, not everytone, as I've stated before. But I'm already so spoiled, that it wouldn't matter at all.

[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2005-10-12 21:13 ]

Numfar PTB | October 12, 23:09 CET

A friend of mine in London saw an early screening that had the extra Mal/Inara scene and she told me about it the other day. I looked it up in the Virtual Companion and it indeed is a wonderful scene I wish was in the movie.

Ok, Joss said that Serenity is the director's cut. But he shot those scenes and aren't they mostly cut for time? Is it possible he'll change his mind and do a director's cut special edition DVD? I really want to see that scene (and others) put in the movie!

electricspacegirl | October 12, 23:29 CET

Virtual Companion

You mean the Visual Companion, right? 'Cause the Virtual Companion is something totally different I would think.

zeitgeist | October 12, 23:48 CET

Oh yeah. sorry. I'm spacey today. Well, also everyday, hence the name. But more so today than usual.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-12 22:04 ]

electricspacegirl | October 13, 00:03 CET

Perhaps not, zeitgeist. According to my dictionary, ESG statement follows suit.

BTW, congrats on being selected as the newest MOD. Fine choice.

Madhatter | October 13, 00:13 CET

Do you suppose I could get a Nathan virtual companion? Where's Warren when you need him…

brownishcoat | October 13, 00:15 CET

"Where's Warren when you need him…"

I'll take a Riverbot! ;)

SpookyRiverFan | October 13, 00:24 CET

Inara's Spongebath, some people on the site still haven't had a release in their country(like the netherlands) yet.

"Ok, Joss said that Serenity is the director's cut. But he shot those scenes and aren't they mostly cut for time?"

No. They're cut for pacing.

[ edited by eddy on 2005-10-12 22:41 ]

eddy | October 13, 00:39 CET

As long as Joss has control, based on everything he has said a zillion times, there will never be an extended version with scenes restored. Of course, if Universal own the rights ultimately, they could do what they want: restore scenes, call it a "director's cut" (which is usually a meaningless term, anyway), whatever.

Personally, I'd go with whatever Joss wants his film to be - I trust him to have given us the best film, the film he wanted. So I have no wishfulness about seeing scenes "restored". But deleted scenes are a nice thing as a separate extra.

And the 20th December thing from what I understand was just something on the Rumourmill. I don't think the fact that these extras are being certified by the BBFC now can be taken as having relevance to that DVD date (apart from anything else, I assumed the Rumourmill rumour was talking R1). They are already certifying extras for Jackson's King Kong, and I don't think anyone would expect an early DVD release for that one. Much as I'd love a DVD soon, I also want the film to stay in cinemas longer, so I'm hoping the rumours are false.

Kiddo | October 13, 01:02 CET

electricspacegirl - I believe they were cut for "momentum," and were not imposed by the studio, so I'm skeptical that Joss will change his mind. Of course, Peter Jackson has said the exact same thing about LOTR (that the theatrical versions are the "director's cut"), so if the demand is there, I wouldn't be surprised to see an "extended edition" for fans.

bobothebrave | October 13, 01:02 CET

Did anyone else notice that River had two funny lines cut from the earlier screenings? And she was made to appear more mysterious in the beginning, as opposed to a bit more kooky. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this, because I've seen the movie and read both the novelization and script. I might be mixing them up but I was pretty sure I noticed about four cuts from the June screening. Am I imagining this?

I'm all for the director's cuts with deleted scenes restored, but if the director doesn't want to release it that way, I'll happily expect, I mean, watch them on a separate disc.

WhoIsOmega? | October 13, 01:27 CET

Oh please, let the Mal/Inara almost-kiss be the Mal/Inara quiet moment. Ever since I read that in the Visual Companion, I've wanted to see it. But given the length, I am starting to think it might be the other quiet scene, where they talk in the shuttle, and Mal asks her why she didn't stay. You know what? both are good scenes! I want them both. So greedy.

Dizzy | October 13, 02:20 CET

You mean the Visual Companion, right? 'Cause the Virtual Companion is something totally different I would think.

Yeah, I think Mr. Universe had one of those.

IMForeman | October 13, 02:23 CET

I would like to see the prayer rocket go off and become fireworks at the end of the funerally type service. It blended in very nicely with the next shot of Zoe.

Lioness | October 13, 02:28 CET

Yeah Joss said there will be 2 releases, but at least this isnt a totally bare-bones edition.
There is already 173 minutes of Extras plus the 114 minute movie = 287 minutes runtime = 4.78 Hours of content.
Not bad for an initial release!

tullyano7 | October 13, 03:09 CET

I've taken the liberty of adding a few amendments to technovamp's page references:

00:00:21:21 (EXTENDED LILAC ENTRANCE) P 83 -> 84
00:01:05:20 (EXTENDED KAYLEE AND JAYNE) ?
00:02:18:20 (INARA AND SHEYDRA) P79 -> 83
00:02:12:15 (OPERATIVE TRACKS MAL) P 89 -> 92
00:02:22:05 (EXTENDED RIVER AND SIMON/HAVEN OPENING) P 98 -> 99
00:01:27:16 (ESCAPE FROM COMPANION TRAINING HOUSE) P 112
00:00:13:17 (MAL AND INARA SHUTTLE CHASE) P 112
00:02:16:04 (MAL AND INARA QUIET MOMENT) P 122 -> 124 (?)
00:01:06:20 (EXTENDED MAL AND OPERATIVE CODA) P 155 -> 156

I'm too tired to look through the whole script to try to find the EXTENDED KAYLEE AND JAYNE though.

Gag Halfrunt | October 13, 03:24 CET

13 more minutes and 20 seconds of movie in total. Glad to see what look like some nice, meaty Inara scenes. Wish there were more, but at least they'll all have commentary.

Kris | October 13, 03:39 CET

Gasp! The Mal/Inara almost-kiss isn't going to be an extra on the DVD? No!

electricspacegirl | October 13, 04:42 CET

Kris- The American release anyway is 119 minutes, so it should be tullyano7's 114 minutes +5 (and whatever seconds).

Ying | October 13, 04:59 CET

The Jayne and Kaylee scene is just a few more lines of dialogue at the end of their scene in the cargo bay after the Reaver chase.

But grr argh about that Mal/Inara scene.

And I really liked River's "I'm the brains of the operation," with the goggles, that she no longer says.

[ edited by pat32082 on 2005-10-13 03:03 ]

pat32082 | October 13, 05:01 CET

No its not 119 minutes, during the conversion from film to disc the movie was reduced from 119 to 113 (no cuts just different number of frames per second)

tullyano7 | October 13, 07:14 CET

Damn the pacing. I thought the whole movie went way too fast anyway. I want all those extra moments with our cast. I don't care if they are staring at their toenails. I might not see them again in gorgeous new story freshness for years. I need every drop.

Poster Boy | October 13, 09:19 CET

I just wanted to say, sorta off topic, that I got my hands on a Serenity press kit and I just saw a trailer that (I think) was totally different than the ones online, tv, and at the theater. It was edited differently, different music, other scenes added. It's sort of a mix of both of the U.S. trailers.

Oh, and it's awesome. Why didn't they put this in the theaters and on TV?

Anyway, just thought I'd mention that.

Oh, and yes, Heroical-er is a word... Now.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-13 09:09 ]

electricspacegirl | October 13, 11:07 CET

ESG - could you put the trailer online? I think you might be refering to the international trailer, at a guess: www.cantstopthesignal.co.uk/trailer has a copy still

gossi | October 13, 14:18 CET

Some scenes were, I believe, were cut because test audiences (and by that I mean actual test audiences, not browncoat screenings) didn't think they worked. Universal did extensive audience testing of the movie, with charts and things.

I would have actually liked to have seen some of the test cuts of the movie on a seperate disc - Joss said one of the early cuts of the movie had The Operative barely speaking at all, for example, to see how people reacted to it.

gossi | October 13, 14:24 CET

I agree gossi - I'd love to see some of those test cuts. Not because they might be better movies, but just to take a look at the differences and what not. Hell, I'd even love to see those 'charts and things', but maybe I'm just a geek ;-).

By the way, if there were cuts with big differences (like a bearly speaking Operative), did they film seperate scenes to make 'em? Or did they just cut out the dialogue?

GVH | October 13, 15:05 CET

I don't know if it's the international trailer. I don't have a DVD drive. I will try to get the trailers and compare. I'm on dial up so it's a bitca.

So, I guess The Laconic Operative didn't go over so well with the test audiences huh? Well, we certainly know how engaging he is with his dialogue, so not surprised.

electricspacegirl | October 13, 15:15 CET

I'm still holding out for the Trilogy Boxset Special Edition Directors Cut. And after Joss and Summer doing the Q+A I want at least a couple of the cast to come to my house after I watch the DVD and answer any questions I may have. I think that's only fair.

zz9 | October 13, 17:18 CET

zz9, right there with you. There should be a contest.

electricspacegirl | October 13, 22:51 CET

Poster Boy, I agree! Sometimes it's not the huge life changing moments that make you love a series, it's the bog-standard stuff that we all do that makes it special. I love that these moments can read so much into character, like how they spend thier downtime.
Sod pacing.

lone fashionable wolf | October 14, 01:22 CET

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