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October 25 2005

Jon Christensen blogs about Serenity "fan boys" and prospects for a sequel at /FILM. Warning - the blogger has less than kind things to say about Firefly fans and sounds very much like one of those monsters who eats goats and lives under a bridge.

Appears we're getting under someone's skin. "Give it up?" Never, not in this lifetime. Cheers!
If people think a poorly written article is going to make me stop supporting Serenity, they have another thing coming.

Even a well written article wouldn't do the trick.
I spent the last few minutes thinking "do I really want to read more fan-hate? is it really worth my time?" and then proceeded not to click. But then I thought 'hey, maybe theres something in here that will make me see a different side of this debate. Maybe they'll enlighten me and cause a epiphany. Yeah, just like Buffy's'.

Nope. Not a damn thing in there was worth the time it took my brain to send a electric charge through my nerves and into my finger to hit the mouse button. Its not funny. Its not insightful. Its not informative. And its not anything new.

Please just give it up and realize that you're only one of a few people who hated this series(or even knew about it). The fact that you guys are willing to spend more time talking about a series/movie(that you hate) than an average movie-goer would on Gigli, Into The Blue, and Catwoman does not make up for your scary obsessiveness. So please just give it up.(ahem)
Commander Harken: Seems odd you'd name your ship after a battle you were on the wrong side of.

Captain Reynolds: May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.
And, I'm not prepared to give up on a sequel just yet... I'm still breathing, after all.

Anyway, thank you all for sparing me what I'm sure is an annoying read.
I'm always game for reading something well-written even if I don't agree with it. But this? It's a very poorly written mini-"rant." How is it important or noteworthy? Are any hard-hitting points made? No. I fail to see the point in posting this, really. Just because someone has a "blog" does this make what they have to say necessarily relevant or insightful? No, it doesn't.
Just because someone has a "blog" does this make what they have to say necessarily relevant or insightful? No, it doesn't.

THANKYOU! I couldn't agree more.
Since there have been some pithy comments posted in response, I suppose the link is here to stay. But it's probably time to call a moratorium on overtly negative pieces - and/or pieces that are looking for extra hits for their site.
What a joke! Fan Boys? My experience is that the fans are predominantly female, not male.
I concur on the quality of the writing also:
"Please just give it up and realize that what you're only one of a few people who liked this series."
The birth of computers surely meant the death of the English language, nobodys can strung a coherent sentence 2gether anymore.
I spent the last few minutes thinking "do I really want to read more fan-hate? is it really worth my time?" and then proceeded not to click.


Eddy got it right.
I didn't click. I came into here first and read what you guys had to say. Browncoat haters will get no ad revenue from me!
I don't feel the need to 'defend' our fan love. As they feel the need to tear down anothers, to make themselves feel more superiour.

End result, if ya don't read it, it won't make you angry, or upset you; and the site holding the article won't have made money off your emotions as a result!
As per SNT, I had earlier resisted putting this one on the front page for comment. Since its on imdb, I guess it'll have some exposure already without any assistance from sites like whedonesque.

I really don't understand why some people dump on Serenity and/or the fan base with provocatively worded set pieces that simply say "I hate" or "its trash". At least Devin of CHUD attempts to justify and backup his viewpoints, contentious as they may be. But not Jon or Steve.
I never heard of this guy, and after today, I'll probably forget all about him and this insignificant little piece.

There! All gone!
I'm with nixygirl. No more going to posts before I read the comments. No need for me to give this guy a hit on his blog when it is obviously such a poorly written article. If it was written well, that would be another issue. Oh, and I'm still hopeful for a sequel.
Commander Harken: Seems odd you'd name your ship after a battle you were on the wrong side of.

Captain Reynolds: May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Amen.

I'm not too bothered by these type of articles. There will always be people who don't get Whedon and his works, and there'll always be more of them than there are of us. But still we got this movie made.

And that makes us mighty. :)
Yup. That's what makes us special.
Well, it says 'posted by' and it seems like it's just some smo's forum post. I'm not familiar with this site (and if this is something worth highlighting to them I sure have no inkling to know more). This is not an article. I can find about a zillion other posts like this, pro or con. Hell, go to AICN and you'll swim in them, but not even there do they deem to put this up as a 'highlighted article'.

Good grief, if only he had this opinion but could still articulate anything beyond...this. Realize FF got canceled because no one watched it? Well, no too few people watched it and Fox dumped it on friday because they wanted rid of it. With more chance and support it might still be on the air, it might've gotten canceled anyway. Who knows. But that it was canceled due to low ratings? When has anyone ever disputed that?And 'we' tricked Universal into making this movie? How did we do that? Did I miss that?

And of course, the old "Just give it up". Why? Why would we? And why would you care anyway?

I didn't watch Enterprise, and I didn't care about the attempts to save it by fans, but why on earth would I ever try and stop them? Why would I care? If they fail it doesn't affect me. If they succeed I'll probably still won't watch and it won't affect me. If I see some banners or threads on the web about saving it, I won't be interested and it doesn't affect me. Why do people care?? Why is there such satisfaction to be had in telling people that what they like sucks according to you? Why go out of your way to write nonsense like this, that has no goal other than to rub salt in people's perceived wounds about a topic that has no interest for you to begin with??

I don't quickly say this but: "Get a life."
"I didn't watch Enterprise, and I didn't care about the attempts to save it by fans, but why on earth would I ever try and stop them?"

Because it sucked and needed to die in order to save the wonderful world of Star Trek?

:)
Shhh.

Let's not give that Jon Christensen guy more ammo againts us. :)
I succumbed -- shame on me. It's not even interestingly venomous.

He, whoever he is, should come to regret he wasted his fifteen probably more like five minutes of fame on this.
I think it's cute when people try to make the "popularity <=> quality" argument.
Ignored.

(Thanks eddy et al.)
In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny....

"What a maroon!"
Without meaning to look overly half full glass wise, making 30m (or 3/4 of the production cost if I'm not mistaken) back before it's opened in some parts of the world, and with strong dvd potential based on the series performance, I don't think anyone at universal is going to be kicking themselves around about now.

Amateur commentary here to be sure (and I fully admit it), but still...
Agreed, giles (yes,). The openings yet to come and the DVDs should finish things off nicely.

Is the $20m estimated marketing costs over and above the ~$50m production costs? or is it included? Don't think it's going to make a difference, just curious.
EdDantes said: "Why is there such satisfaction to be had in telling people that what they like sucks according to you?"

I think that may be my favourite quote of the week. Perhaps for the whole month. :-)
The only real question I have is: who is this Jon Christensen? Does he have readers? Or is it just some random blog out of the many, many, many blogs out there? Ie: is this the equivalent to a random 'I don't like Serenity' mention on someone's homepage no one ever looks at? And if so, why are we even bothering? :-)
Never heard of him but his use of "rape" is extreme, vile and insulting. I'm surprised nobody picked up on that one. He clearly is writhing about something down deep.
His use of the word rape probably isn't really anything to get excited about. It's pretty much become an equivalent of "Pwned" over the last few years in certain parts the online gaming/idiot community.

For example, if you're playing an online shooting game and you kill your entire opposing team without getting hit somebody will probably say something like "Raped!". That seemed to me to be the context of what he said. Not exactly charming, but it's just a word and his use of it probably isn't some kid of glimpse into his twisted brain meats. Still, it doesn't make him seem any less oddly negative.
That is a very interesting piece of information NekoDono so thank you for taking the time to put it out there. Still a vile choice of word/sentiment IMHO.
Agreed, Equalitynow. And thanks for the explanation NekoDono, though that doesn't make the use of the word rape any more understandable or less unpleasant - makes it worse actually and saddens me that it's used in that sense.
I tried not to think about this - as everyone so rightly said when I read this this morning - but it was because of that particular sentence that it was still in my head on the tube ride home.
No problem. This just kind of reminded me of the time the meaning of the term "Ghey" came up here.

LFW-
Yeah, I think I hear what you're saying. IMO, it only makes it worse in the sense that it has less actual meaning to the people saying it and that causes them to throw it around a lot more.
Yup, it's one of the most godawful acts in the world - so to use it in some triumphant way seems sick to me. I think if those people saw the consequences of rape they wouldn't be so quick to use it that way.

That reminds me of a phrase that's pretty frequently used to mean 'had trouble or problems with something/ one' - 'murders'. People say "I've had murders sorting out child care". It's in the same vein I guess - but rape has a different vibe to it when used in that way, for me anyway.

What does 'ghey' mean? And what does 'Pwned' mean?
Ghey, the way I saw it explained here via some other source, is a term used by internet types to mock people that use the word gay in a negative manner in online video games and such. That seemed pretty accurate to me judging from how I've seen it used before.

Pwned is a misspelling of owned. P is next to O on the keyboard, and saying that somebody just got "Owned" is the most common way of saying they've been soundly defeated. A lot of people would press P by mistake. So eventually a lot of people just started saying "Pwned". Sometimes it's used to mock the people that use that type of slang as well. I don't like to think about it very much, it's too annoying.

Since the word rape can apparently be used as another way of saying "despoil" or "to seize and take away by force", I think it pretty much got picked up by some gamers as an edgier way of saying "Owned." It's pretty thoughtless.
As EdDantes says
Why is there such satisfaction to be had in telling people that what they like sucks according to you?

Bloodflowers replied
I think that may be my favourite quote of the week. Perhaps for the whole month. :-)

Or to put it another way "Telling other people that what they like sucks? When does that get fun?" (I just love quoting Jayne.)
Thanks, NekoDono. I just don't get people. Not nice!

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