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October 31 2005

Sci Fi Wire Polls readers on DVD Premiere movies for the Buffyverse. Aside from James Marsters' Spike, who would you like to see star in their own DVD Buffy film?

As of this posting:

- Faith 31%
- Angel 22%
- Willow 22%
- Giles 18%
- Xander 7%

with 1172 votes cast.

I wish they had a choice of "all of the above." I went with Giles, because I would love to see those Tales of the Ripper come to fruition.

I wish Illyria had been on the list.
freakin Andrew too.....i dont understand why some ppl dont like him.
As usual, I'm the minority vote, Giles and Xander. With Giles as the the lead. And yeah, Andrew too.
I voted for Giles. Willow would be second, Xander would be great too, but hopefully that won't turn out to be 'just' a comedy movie.
I'm all for Faith, but I agree - where's Illyria?
No Dawn? Or April?
I think Illyria has been connected with the Spike movie. But why this poll? Why not make them all? :)
I would love for Joss to make a mini-series of these one-off films that maybe focus on a different characters each week, but have an overall arc. As they did with the Ring of Amara from Buffy to Angel. Also, one episode to feature a totally minor character, like Dana the Slayer or Clem would be cool.
I voted for Giles, as well. The idea of a Giles movie with Xander along for the ride is just a wonderful notion, though.

To be honest, I'm sure they could make a great Spike/Illyria post-"Not Fade Away" TV movie - but we already know so much about Spike. (In fact, of the two, I'd rather learn more about Illyria.) Whereas Ripper was always so mysterious...

Angel had five years of his own show. And parts of "Buffy", too.
I vote for Willow. But I would like to have all of them in movie.
Sorry, but i disagree Keith. Spike has a lot of fans, who want to see where his story is gonna lead to.
He was always a secondary character with only a handfull of episodes about him. Buffy was mainly about Buffy and the scoobies. Angel about Angel and his fanggang. Spike really doesn't belong with either of them. I chose for Faith on the poll, since Giles and Xander don't interest me.

[ edited by sethsky on 2005-10-31 14:30 ]
I would have loved to see Gwen Raiden pop up somewhere too. I loved her!
I voted for Giles. I wish Illyria had been on the list too.
I voted for Giles as well. Obviously those who read Sci-Fi Wire are not Whedonesquers. Or vice-versa. There is a lot of Giles love here but it is not being reflected on the polls.
Lioness, I think he does it better than I had expected.
Faith got my vote. I just wish that they hadn't killed off Wesley because the two of them made one hell of a team whilst she was appearing in Angel. It was like Buffy and Giles, but waaaaaaay darker! It's a real shame that their relationship cannot be developed further.

In fact, if the Faith television series had gone ahead and Wes had become a regular on the show i think there was the potential there for a little sexual chemistry. I wonder if we would have seen the first slayer/watcher couple? Just a thought!
I'm with you there, Vampire With A Gun, I would have loved to see more interaction with darker Wesley and reformed Faith. I think as you say it could have had a sexual element but it would also have been interesting to see a more tortured version of father/daughter, as you say, like Buffy and Giles but darker and twisted.
The future of slayerverse always has hope with Eliza as Faith, very popular, I voted for her, I of cource would like David back for more Angel, but with Faith, Eliza is still very young, and age won't matter much with that character for a while yet, and with Joss expressing a while ago interest in more Faith, it seems the best bet. But bring the others as well of cource.

[ edited by SeanValen on 2005-10-31 15:51 ]
Yup, I hopped on the Giles love train as well. The only one who could've really given him any competition was Oz really ... mmm, Ozzzzz.
I am very disapointed that Mr.Pee-Pee is not included in this poll. The depth of this character and his contribution to the whole Buffy/Angel verse does not het the respect he deserves.

I have a lot of very rich Republican friends and you all know how they can work the Capital, they have agreed on handing me some money so I can lobby against any other characters getting their oen spinn-off project.
Whedonverse.org has a poll asking fans what future project they'd most like to see. The results so far are intriging to me.
I suspect that the outcomes will have a lot more to do with who is available. ASH seems to be pretty interested in staying in England. DB has Bones going for him, although he could probably duck out to make a movie. ED has True Lies 2 coming up. I'm not sure of the status of Kitchen Confidential or AH's show, so no idea there.
Faith is at 32% now

I voted for her, however I wouldn't say no to any of them on the list

And where was Illyria! I thought Joss even said that he wanted to bring the character back as well as Spike and Willow
Not really sure of James' availability anymore.

If we are fantasizing, I would like a big screen movie with Angel/Buffy/Spike--a Butch/Sundance/Etta kind of thing..

Who would get the girl? Well, look at my name, people.

Although in Butch/Sundance, they ended up with each other. ;)

[ edited by spikeylover on 2005-10-31 21:20 ]
Since Illyria wasn't an option, I chose Faith.
I voted for Faith, although I came very close to picking Giles. Vampire with a Gun, I'm so with you. Wesley and Faith have so much unexplored territory that Joss could play with. It could be a very dark and creepy releationship, which is so my cup of tea.
Clem, Andrew's brother, or Miss Kitty Fantastico.
Um. Would a Xander movie not involve the rest of them? I dont understand. Anyway, I think the best movie would involve Faith, Illyria, Giles, Xander and Andrew. Combine, blend, serves many.
Voted for Giles - but I'd love to see all of them.
Sorry, but i disagree Keith. Spike has a lot of fans, who want to see where his story is gonna lead to.

Sethsky, I think I've already resigned myself to the fact that the first new TV or DVD movie will be a Spike story - as have the editors of Sci Fi Wire :-)

In essence, Spike has already had two stories and two endings! Some of the great episodes (of both series) were flashbacks to his backstory. It's hard to accept calling him a secondary character when, in fact, he got more screen time in Season 7 Buffy than Xander and in Season 5 Angel than most of the other main cast!

If/when this Spike movie appears, I'll watch it. I'll probably buy it, too. I just happen to think that Giles' history as Ripper has been overlooked for too long and that the Illyria story was cut short due to Angel's cancellation.
I think it depends on what you mean by secondary character. To me, the only main characters are Buffy and Angel, regular cast members are secondary, and everyone else is a minor character.
For me, Faith (one unexplored character).
With Giles (Ripper starring in "Tales of the Watchers") and Illyria.
Giles would probably be my first pick in this poll, because, as people have pointed out, he was so "mysterious" with the unexplored backstory. (I thought it was always going to be filmed in England so why is that a problem?).

I would also like to see Wes with Faith and Illyria.

What about first the Spike movie with Illyria, who resurrects Wes (because she can't take the insane-making pain without him) and Wes then shows up in Faith's movie. Strange re-births and sexual tension all-around! I'd like to see Andrew as well.

Seriously, is there a plausible storyline where Wes could be "brought back" in a non-zombie like way? Because that death had so much dramatic resonance, a resurrection might seem cheap. But I want him in the movie(s), please.
Decisions. Decisions. I finally cast my vote for Giles. But it was a difficult choice. I agree that Illyria's character would be interesting to explore as well.

I'll take whatever I can get. But damn, why can't we just have them all?
I'm hoping Xander gets a magic eyeball that gives him cool powers.
"It's hard to accept calling him [Spike] a secondary character when, in fact, he got more screen time in Season 7 Buffy than Xander"

Didn't Andrew have more screen time in season 7 than Xander?
Well, I went there all prepared to vote and then... what the hell? No Numphar? Who the hell put this poll together? The whole thing would be delivered through interpretive dance and it would have been f***ing brilliant!

I guess Iíll just have to go with Giles then. Set it in England where he has gone back to being curator of the British Museum of History. He has had enough of the Watcher life and just wants to settle in and start a normal life. That ainít too much to ask for is it? You bet it is!

Faith and Wesley would have kicked serious derriere but that guy left with one of the best death scenes ever and bringing him back would take all meaning away from it. Donít you dare do that Joss. Donít. You. Dare.
"In essence, Spike has already had two stories and two endings! Some of the great episodes (of both series) were flashbacks to his backstory. It's hard to accept calling him a secondary character when, in fact, he got more screen time in Season 7 Buffy than Xander and in Season 5 Angel than most of the other main cast!"

Yeah, flashbacks, but fans of Spike want to see where his story leads to, as for screen time. It was only normal since they could do so much with him in Season 7 of Buffy(he had a soul,the relationship between him and Buffy). Just like on Angel season 5, the long standing hatred between Spike and Angel. Two vampires with a soul. There were also alot of Spike fans who started watching Angel. He has always been a secondary character no matter how much screen time he got.
Let's just agree to disagree.
I was sorry that Lindsey wasn't on the poll, since i wanted to know his backstory(before he came back in Season5)

[ edited by sethsky on 2005-11-01 06:56 ]

[ edited by sethsky on 2005-11-01 07:00 ]
I really want Wesley back more than any other character. If there was only a way...

[ edited by Succatash on 2005-11-01 07:07 ]
Right there with you, Succatash. I miss Wesley and all his glorious pain.
Sethsky, I think I've already resigned myself to the fact that the first new TV or DVD movie will be a Spike story - as have the editors of Sci Fi Wire :-)


Yep, same here.

In essence, Spike has already had two stories and two endings! Some of the great episodes (of both series) were flashbacks to his backstory. It's hard to accept calling him a secondary character when, in fact, he got more screen time in Season 7 Buffy than Xander and in Season 5 Angel than most of the other main cast!


Yep, I agree again. To me, at this point, Spike is not one of the most interesting characters anymore. I love James Masters' work and thought he was one of the very best actors on both of the Buffyverse shows, but even though his role in Angel S5 was great I just couldn't get rid of the feeling that a) he was there for the ratings, to drag along Spike fans to Angel, that b) Spike got screentime that otherwise would've been devoted to characters who had already been in the fang gang for four previous seasons and kinda 'deserved' it more and c) that it somewhat cheapened his demise in Buffy and his whole arc there. Still, he had great chemistry in most of the scenes he was in, so I didn't hate the fact that Spike was there. It just wouldn't have been the creative decission I would've made.

But then again, I've accepted that Spike has probably been the most loved character in the fandom for quite some time. Me, I loved him in season two, and in Lover's Walk, and then in season 4 it got to be a situation of 'there is no longer any reason left why Buffy would not stake this guy right now' which continued untill he got a soul. Then when he finally hŠd a soul his arc could continue (I don't agree with the people who think that spike getting a soul was a result of his quest for redemption in the previous seasons. I feel that's a weird idea, honestly), and his arc closed of nicely with his sacrifice in season seven where he got himself a taste of true redemption, and I think that that could've been it. There was no real reason to bring him back then (or now) apart from his immense popularity.

If/when this Spike movie appears, I'll watch it. I'll probably buy it, too. I just happen to think that Giles' history as Ripper has been overlooked for too long and that the Illyria story was cut short due to Angel's cancellation.


Yep, I agree. I was just starting to warm to Illyria when the show ended (couldn't do it before, because - well - she sorta did 'kill' Fred, who was my favorite Angel character - possibly because she was an incredibly cute scientist) and would've loved to see more happen there. There was a very intersting dynamic in the character. She could've gone places.

And Giles as well. There's some very interesting stuff that could still be told there. I hope some of these other characters get their chance to shine as well, even though I'll also watch, buy and probably love, a Spike movie.
I'll chime in and agree with Keith G and GVH. The character of Spike is fascinating but so well explored already. Of course Spike fans want to see more, and hopefully with this movie that's what they'll get.

But those who don't worship at the alter of Spike would like to see other characters fleshed out who (I feel) 'deserve' it more, like Faith, Giles, and Illyria. Less so for Xander and Willow, as they've been around for so long. Willow has had a fairly central role already and though Xander was often criminally relegated to background comedy, the writers (I think) said they ran out of ideas for him.

Giles has Ripper backstory. Illyria has her past and having to fit into a new world where she is no longer a god-king. Faith has redemption, anger management, slayer stuff! And Andrew has watcher glory to aim for.

I love Spike, but I feel he's been central to so many recent storylines it would be nice for someone else to get the spotlight. I'll take what I can get of the verse and I know I'll love it, though.
I think a lot of the people who want to see a Spike movie feel that much of what was put on screen for him was to serve and explore the characters of Buffy and Angel. The shows were about them, after all. As I watch both shows I can actually feel the character of Spike being constrained so as not to take over the story. (Even though some people still think he did.) I think many people would just like to see the character released and be allowed to be the focus without it needing to illuminate someone else's story.

If I had lots of time on my hands (yeah, right) I would time how much screen time the different characters had in each season. I think many people would be surprised at how it little Spike actually had. It did not take a lot of screen time for that character made an impression.

Oh, and of course I want more Illyria and Giles and Faith and the rest. Slayerverse movies all around as far as I'm concerned.

[ edited by newcj on 2005-11-01 18:55 ]
I think thats how I feel about it too newcj....Spike was always kept in the wings....his story would be just about to explode into something more profound, and the next thing...he gets sidelined again. I just want to see Spike shine in a film about HIM....after all that character went through I think he deserves that much. Honestly...even though I realize a lot of the other characters went through some very traumatic stuff, their stories just never mesmerized me the way Spike's did.
I would like to see more Giles, and of course Illyria, maybe even Andrew, but to be honest, Faith was never my favorite, and the same for Willow...just never really cared about them much. Anya I loved and was heartbroken for. Xander I liked, but got irritated with for his treatment of Spike and then of course leaving Anya at the alter...that was just stupid. I will be happy though, to see any of them in a Spike movie, as long as there is a change of heart, acceptance and appreciation of Spike. And more than anything I want him to be the focus, no one else. If movies about the other characters get made too...great ...best of all worlds and something for everyone I hope.....

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