Whedonesque : Comments on 8661 : The best Vampire movie for Whedonverse fans ever?

Raise your hand if you had to google "Gwendolyn Post." I know I did. Besides that, it sounds like a beautifully screwed up fanfiction. Yet now that I think about, Glory may just be too much woman for Jayne.

MySerenity | November 01, 22:49 CET

Oh, how exciting... I want to see this.

aapac | November 01, 23:31 CET

This sounds interesting. It reminds me of a trailer I saw once for an indie film that dealt with vampirism as a metaphor for addiction. I can't remember the name of it and that's been bothering me for years.

electricspacegirl | November 01, 23:55 CET

It reminds me of a trailer I saw once for an indie film that dealt with vampirism as a metaphor for addiction. I can't remember the name of it and that's been bothering me for years.

ESP, are you thinking of 'The Addiction', a 1995 Abel Ferrara film featuring Christopher Walken, Lili Taylor and Annabella Sciorra?

alien lanes | November 02, 00:03 CET

Wasn't Gwen Post Faith's replacement Watcher?

zeitgeist | November 02, 00:15 CET

She wanted some jacked up glove, right? And she knocked Giles out with a lamp...

Rogue Slayer | November 02, 00:18 CET

"Well, now I know I'm back in America, I've been knocked unconcious."

zeitgeist | November 02, 00:19 CET

That's a good enough grouping to get my attention and $$$$...especially with Kramer and Lenk. You wonder if there will be any subtle references.

two_guns | November 02, 00:20 CET

Gwendolyn Post was the watcher who did her thesis on Spike.

Sassafras | November 02, 00:21 CET

Gwendolyn Post was the watcher who did her thesis on Spike.

You are thinking of the S5 episode Checkpoint in which Cynthia Lamontagne plays a Watcher's Council representative who says she did her thesis on Spike. She also makes a brief appearance in the S7 episode Never Leave Me. I believe the character's name was Lydia.

Gwendolyn Post is the rogue Watcher who appears in the S3 episode Revelations. She was played by Serena Scott Thomas.

alien lanes | November 02, 00:31 CET

Ah ha!

"Gwendolyn was a maverick Watcher who wanted the Glove of Mynnigon. She tricked the Scoobies into believing she was Faith’s new Watcher and got them to find the Glove. Buffy killed Gwendolyn when she realised she was bad in Revelations. Gwendolyn successfully isolated Faith from the rest of the Scoobies.

Giles says Gwendolyn Post was, “kicked out by the Council a couple of years ago for ‘misuses of dark power.’ They swear there was a memo.” Seems the Watcher’s Council could do with informing Giles of updates more often."

--restlessbtvs

zeitgeist | November 02, 00:32 CET

There are people who don't know who Gwendolyn Post is? Frankly, I'm appalled. Appalled I tell you.

Simon | November 02, 00:48 CET

Was that sarcasm? I think it might be sarcasm. It's hard to tell, both would kinda work. Maybe I didn't catch it fully cause I know very well who Gwendolyn Post is. Maybe that makes me weird, I don't know... Anyway, that movie sounds sort of alright I guess, I'll probably check it out but mostly because of the cast.

Djungelurban | November 02, 01:02 CET

ESP, are you thinking of 'The Addiction', a 1995 Abel Ferrara film featuring Christopher Walken, Lili Taylor and Annabella Sciorra?

Hey, that might be the one! Thanks, dashboardprophet. I think you may have solved the mystery! I'll have to go rent it sometime.

electricspacegirl | November 02, 01:04 CET

Oops, I need some of those little blushy faces. Time for a review session. I was going to wait until my full BTVS set arrived in November. Maybe I'd better get a jump on that 3rd season.

Sassafras | November 02, 01:48 CET

Another Buffy connection:“Our makeup effects are by Autonomous Effects, the new shop headed by Jason Collins of Almost Human"
Isn't that who did the Buffy/Angel make-up?

Lioness | November 02, 02:15 CET

Buffy didn't really kill Gwendolyn Post. She *separated* the portion of her with the glove from the rest of her body and let the forces Ms Post had used the glove to generate to kill her.

OK, the other is shorter and easier to understand...though not totally accurate.

(Geek-alert! Geek-alert!)

newcj | November 02, 02:16 CET

I remember in BtVS magazine, someone asked if Buffy had killed a human before, and that's probably one of the first examples of her doing so indirectly. But there's also stuff like leaving Ford locked in with Spike and the gang, and throwing the zookeeper into the hyena pen. But they're evil people, who cares?

I agree with Simon, even if I tried I couldn't forget most of the Buffyverse mythology. Maybe I'm a little less knowledgable about the last couple of seasons of each, but I've watched the episodes so many times, read episode guides and reviews, discussed them online, read The Watcher's Guides, Angel Casefiles and Monster Book, so many times that I can remember most of the monsters and characters our gangs have come across. How could you forget Gwendolyn Post?

I think we should all rewatch and discuss season three in case there's any monsters in it people have forgotten about!

Anyway, back on topic, the film sounds interesting and the multiple Jossverse connections are enough to make me want to see it. Although I think Chance probably had a lot of connections too, although I haven't seen it unfortunately so I'm just going by what I've read. Amber Benson, James Marsters, Andy Hallet, and was David Fury involved somewhere along the way?

Razor | November 02, 03:12 CET

I remember in BtVS magazine, someone asked if Buffy had killed a human before, and that's probably one of the first examples of her doing so indirectly. But there's also stuff like leaving Ford locked in with Spike and the gang, and throwing the zookeeper into the hyena pen. But they're evil people, who cares?

As a side note, two episodes before The Gift in Spiral Buffy hurled a freaking hatchet (atleast I think it was a hatchet) into a man's chest. That would leave most people kinda dead. And he wasn't really evil either.

Although I think Chance probably had a lot of connections too, although I haven't seen it unfortunately so I'm just going by what I've read. Amber Benson, James Marsters, Andy Hallet, and was David Fury involved somewhere along the way?

Yep, and in addition to that you could also add Tressa DiFiglia who is Nick's wife. There would have been another Whedonverse character in the mix in the originally, namely Emma Caulfield. Unfortunately her scene was accidently recorded over and they had to bring in Lara Boyd Rhodes instead since Emma was busy. Yeah, I know, this was a bit off topic... Sorry 'bout that.

Djungelurban | November 02, 03:56 CET

Djungelurban - That bit you mention always bugs me because Giles make such big deal about Buffy being a hero and not being able to kill people in the Gift. People have already mentioned several examples - and she was plenty happy to feed Faith to Angel in Graduation Day pt 1.
I think Revelations (the ep with Gwen Post in) is a fairly important part of season 3 - there's a big crowbar driven between Faith and Buffy in that ep, Faith's trust in humanity is damaged, Angels' presence is made clear to the group causing all sorts of unpleasantness - lots of seeds are sown. Good stuff!
(I'm currently on my billionth season 3 re-run. Can ya tell?)

lone fashionable wolf | November 02, 04:27 CET

Wow, this looks like a good movie. it reads fairly dark, I would like to see Tom as something other than Andrew, or Cirius. I hope he has a good part.

nixygirl | November 02, 04:54 CET

Yeah, there are some major plot holes in Buffy alright. My personal fave; in the recently mentioned The Gift the city hall (I presume) is turned into a demon stronghold. What happened to that place really? I mean, even if I was as boneheaded as most Sunnydalers I would have trouble ignoring a big colossus like that.

Djungelurban | November 02, 04:57 CET

Another connection between this movie and the 'verse: director of photography Ray Stella, who was DP for the last couple seasons of Buffy.

jaynelovesvera | November 02, 05:12 CET

omg Tom Lenk!!!!

KBP | November 02, 07:45 CET

Djungelurban, don't forget the big dragon either. Personally I think that whenever Buffy closed the portal, all of the stuff that came through it was sucked back into that dimension. So no dragon or Alien-lookin' demons either.

Actually, now I think about it, weren't they considering having a dragon in the Angel episode Not Fade Away, but they decided not to show the battle to remind us that the battle never ends, but also for budgetary constraints. But couldn't they have used the same digital model or whatever that was used in The Gift?

I think what Giles says to Ben in The Gift still holds water, because even when Buffy caused the deaths of humans or arguably killed them, it wasn't the same situation. Ben was lying helpless on the ground, and although not entirely innocent the whole Glory situation wasn't his fault.

Whereas Faith had it coming and had done a lot to Buffy, the Knights of Byzantium were attacking her in Spiral, and maybe have had magickal power and not been completely human, they could have been demons for all we know. So I think the statement still stands, Buffy is too heroic to callously murder a human who is lying helplessly on the ground, but Giles isn't.

[ edited by Razor on 2005-11-04 20:22 ]

Razor | November 02, 18:36 CET

November 01 2005