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November 21 2005

More details on new Buffy and Angel comics on Dark Horse and IDW. New Buffy mini series might only be released in 2007 and expect several One-Shots, featuring Angel's supporting cast in 2006.

You'll find the following rumour news, rolling down to the middle of the page:

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Tales From The Buffyverse

Since Joss Whedon’s recent announcement, Buffy The Vampire Slayer fans have been clamoring for more info on the new Dark Horse comics. I’ve been asking around and I do have a few new tidbits. First, the new Buffy comic written by Whedon himself will come in the form of a four issue limited series, with further miniseries written by established comic pros and overseen by Whedon. The current talk is that Dark Horse is going for a “new look” with the new mini, but an artist hasn’t been chosen yet. Which brings me to my third point: the first mini may not even be coming out next year. Apparently the mini is in such an early stage that it’s not currently on Dark Horse’s 2006 slate. And given Whedon’s Hollywood commitments along with his Astonishing X-Men gig, a 2007 release date seems more likely.

Meanwhile, over at IDW, plans are in place for a series of one-shots to be released in 2006, which will focus on the supporting cast of Angel. The characters currently lined up for one-shots are Illyria, Conner, Doyle, Wesley and Gunn. The writers said to be attached are Peter David, Dan Jolley, Scott Tipton, Jeff Mariotte and Jay Faerber. Though it’s not clear yet which writers will be paired with their respective characters…
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Considering that Wesley is supposed to have died at the end of "Angel", I wonder what his one-shot will be about...Will it be something like a post-Buffy season 3 pre-Angel season 1 story, a pre-Buffy story, or one that ties into one of Angel's seasons?

Or is Illyria just resurrecting him, somehow?
I don't care how. I'm just happy to see Wes back, even in comic book form!

Don't forget he's not the only character on the list supposedly dead. What I'd really like to see for Wes is a flashback to the period between Lineage and Harm's Way when he's AWOL.
What about Lorne?
I always thought Conner would make a great comic book character - especially now that he has a normal life, yet super powers and a double history.
What about Lorne?

What about him?
I like the Doyle menstion.
mito said:
"I always thought Conner would make a great comic book character - especially now that he has a normal life, yet super powers and a double history."

To me that just makes him sound like almost every other loner superhero with a secret identity. Peter Parker/Spider-Man without the webbing.

I hope the Wesley storyline is pre-"Not Fade Away". He's dead, his death was good, let's please not dig up his rotting corpse (or scrape it off the floor of Cyvus Vale's mansion, since that's probably a more likely current location for it). I agree with those who think Wes had one of, if not the most, complete character arc in the Buffyverse that they didn't fumble the ball on at any point. I think Alexis Denisof was brilliant in the role. But I really don't want Wes resurrected. He ain't Buffy and I wouldn't wanna have to endure another Spike 2.0, so please just let him be permanently dead?
Wes was probably my favorite Angel character, so I understand Kris' reservations. For me though, it depends on how it's done. My thing is that I still don't think Joss would've killed Wes if Angel had had a 6th season. So I wouldn't mind to see if Joss wants to do something here. But it could be we just see Wes in flashbacks to scenes from before his death that we didn't see at the time so it may not mean any resurrection. Same with Doyle.

As for the pessimistic view on the schedule, let's wait and see. Joss can juggle a lot at once, even if it won't be a monthly thing. I just hope they're gonna get GOOD artists. IDW's output so far has been rather mediocre, and lord knows Dark Horse has let some bunglers loose on their Buffy comics in the past.

[ edited by EdDantes on 2005-11-21 08:12 ]
"it depends on how it's done. My thing is that I still don't think Joss would've killed Wes if Angel had had a 6th season."

Didn't Joss say in an interview that he would've killed Wesley off at the end of the series no matter what? I specifically recall him saying that Wes' death had to simply be moved up due to cancellation (and probably a ton of character arc lost as well), but I don't remember if he said anything more about it.

So since he's already been killed off...but Joss wanted him dead at the end of the series...what would he do, bring him back then kill him off again? I guess plans could just change and he could think up something different for Wes, maybe not resulting in his death, if he really wanted him in a Buffyverse movie or for a comic he might write some day. After all, he wanted Tara back in Season 7 and it sounds like he had some vague ideas of what to do if they could get Seth Green at some point as well (did he ever reveal what may've happened if Oz had stuck around? Aside from his claim that it would've been Oz dying in Season 6 if he'd been in the same spot). So, true to its movie roots, Buffy (and Angel--ie, no Julie Benz, Christian Kane, or Juliet Landau available for the end of Season 2, hence Pylea) hasn't always made it onto the screen exactly as planned. So reminding myself of that, that Joss can work around issues of inconvenience, has me a little more open to the idea of resurrecting Wes if there was a good point to it. It would almost undoubtedly lessen the impact "Not Fade Away" could have upon rewatch though.

[ edited by Kris on 2005-11-21 06:01 ]
"What about Lorne?"

My thoughts exactly.
Didn't Joss say in an interview that he would've killed Wesley off at the end of the series no matter what? I specifically recall him saying that Wes' death had to simply be moved up due to cancellation (and probably a ton of character arc lost as well), but I don't remember if he said anything more about it.

Yeah I remember that too. But the thing is still that if there had been a season 6, Wes wouldn't have been killed off in NFA and Joss would've done more stuff with him. But of course he wouldn't just resurrect him now just for that. But if he has new ideas and a way to bring Wes back in I doubt he's just gonna kill him off again after a few issues because 'the end of the series' has come and gone anyway. That would be like killing Buffy again in Chosen or in the future comics after having done it already in S5 (not really counting S1 since she wasn't dead at the end of it)

So, true to its movie roots, Buffy hasn't always made it onto the screen exactly as planned. So reminding myself of that, that Joss can work around issues of inconvenience, has me a little more open to the idea of resurrecting Wes if there was a good point to it.


Exactly. Due to circumstances like the ones you mention, Joss has changed ideas plenty of times so if he has new good ideas for Wes I wouldn't mind seeing them. If not, that's fine too because Wes' death was classic and there's no problem with leaving it as it is. But if there's anyone who I'll take a resurrection from, it's Joss because he doesn't take such a decision lightly.

It would almost undoubtedly lessen the impact "Not Fade Away" could have upon rewatch though.

That's inevitable, yes. Although I must admit, in spite of that scene being one of the most powerful of the shows, I really, really didn't want Wes to die. Maybe that's why I'm also reasonably open to a possible resurrection of some form.:-)

I still think it's possible it's just going to be flashbacks though.
The current talk is that Dark Horse is going for a “new look” with the new mini


Can we have Steve Dillon or Bryan Hitch doing the artwork please Mr Dark Horse? Hey I can dream.
Kris, I heard that Joss actually wanted to bring Oz back for Angel season 6 - if that had actually happened - to help Nina(?) out with her werewolf issues. And I think he wanted Tara back as the First. And also the "Buffy Gets A Wish" episode which, in a way, I really wish had happened.

[ edited by Emma Frost on 2005-11-21 09:57 ]
I agree with those who think Wes had one of, if not the most, complete character arc in the Buffyverse that they didn't fumble the ball on at any point.

I fully agree, and this is also why I don't want to see him resurrected from the dead. I rather see someone resurrected from the dead whose arc has never been fullfilled. Someone like Tara. In AtS's case I would say Cordelia, but I think her part has been okay, except for the way she has died.

[ edited by Koos on 2005-11-21 12:35 ]
Kris Doth Quoth:

But I really don't want Wes resurrected. He ain't Buffy and I wouldn't wanna have to endure another Spike 2.0, so please just let him be permanently dead?

Personally, I thought Spike 2.0 was necessary. Spike's 'sacrifice' at the end of Chosen was a deus ex machina forced upon him. What I loved about Spike 2.0 was his growing realisation that redemption can't be bought with trinkets, rather it has to be earned through sheer hard work. (A very Calvian ideal, but thats an aside). And, moreover, sometimes staying around is the greater sacrifice.

But - and this is the bit where I agree with you - I can't see what bringing Wes back will do for the character arc of *Wes*. His resurrection (however temporary) could do a lot for the character development of Illyria, and possibly even Spike and Angel. How that - or even just his resurrection - would be covered in a one-shot oriented towards a single character, I don't know... So I'm thinking its a 'tweener' one-shot.
Personally, I thought Spike 2.0 was necessary. Spike's 'sacrifice' at the end of Chosen was a deus ex machina forced upon him.

I think it became a deus ex machine because he was brought back. So, I can't say it was necessary, his death was simply a device to get him in Angel's show. But in Buffy's show his sacrifice was the closure of his arc. It had meaning.

This is threatening to become a different thread, but I find the argument that redemption can be earned by just sheer hard work nonsense. I do think he learned a few things about redemption during AtS S5, but IMO he was fully misused and underused in Angel's show and it was not worth his resurrection.
Remember, the one shots are for the IDW "Angel" comic series and therefore aren't necessarily post-NFA. So, instead of ressurecting characters the storylines could take place in the past or in between episodes like the Spike comics.
No suprise that I think it was totally worthwhile. He finally grew to accept that he could do things not for others but for himself and simply because it was the right thing to do. I'm glad he came back as NFA was by far a more fitting end for him. He'd come full circle and acknowledged his humanity. I think that was essential for the character.

Re: Wesley, I think a resurrection for him would be totally wrong. His death was brutal and violent and final.

Given the comments that this wont even be released until 2007 it leads me to what JW said the other week. He said the comic might well lead on to a Spike movie. If the comic isn't out for over another year I really am having doubts that we will ever see the Spike movie. Disappointing.
But if there's anyone who I'll take a resurrection from, it's Joss because he doesn't take such a decision lightly.

I disagree. IMO Joss tends to resurrecting characters a little too easily. Death should be the ultimate, final station, not just a stop along the way. Angel's resurrection in Buffy season 3 for example was way too easy, as would've been Tara's in season 7. The only way I could see a post-NFA Wesley working without completely diminishing the power of his death scene in NFA, would be as a ghost maybe. A non-recorporealizable (is that a word?) one at that.
Angel's resurrection in Buffy season 3 for example was way too easy

When did Angel die in season 3? I know he went to hell, but to me that's a bit of a different thing than bringing someone back from being 'dead'. That was really just a dimensional thing, at least in Joss' world. It would be like saying the gang was resurrected after returning from Pylea. Or Connor from Qor'toth(or however you spell it).

When Buffy was brought back, there were consequences that lasted a long time, for everyone involved. Same with Spike, he had to go through a lot of crap to actually become fully resurrected. I'm trying to think of anyone else that was resurrected, but it's a bit early in the a.m. and I'm coming up shy.

As for Tara, I always imagine Buffy would have to really carefully word her wish..."Make Tara come back, but make her have no memory of any happy afterlife she may have had, and make her happy to be here, and make sure no one thinks badly of me for pulling someone back from the dead like they did to me, even though I didn't have a good time initially, and please let there be no lasting consequences of playing with life and death so casually. PS. If she could not be a hideous zombie, that would be terrif. TTFN."
Rogue Slayer, I love your comments concerning Buffy's wish conditions. Do you think she'd run it by Giles or the gang to ensure she didn't forget anything before actually implementing the wish?


As for Wesley, I agree with those who think he had the greatest character arc in the verse, and regretfully, on the theory that some things just can't be topped, I hope he isn't resurrected.
Do you think she'd run it by Giles or the gang to ensure she didn't forget anything before actually implementing the wish?

Probably. But then there would be jelly donuts and well-aged Scotch involved, and it could turn into a very messy wish! :~P
Given the comments that this wont even be released until 2007 it leads me to what JW said the other week. He said the comic might well lead on to a Spike movie. If the comic isn't out for over another year I really am having doubts that we will ever see the Spike movie. Disappointing.


If a deal is suddenly signed tomorrow for everyone involved for the Spike movie, I would imagine it would still take some time for everyone's schedules to fall together. James Marster is busy with Smallville right now and has other acting gigs on top of that. Not to mention I'm sure Tim Minear isn't waiting around for that project to happen and is busy with other projects. Also while Joss is not going to be directing it, I imagine that he would still be involved in some way, which means freeing up some of his busy schedule. I would imagine that late 2006 would be the earliest it could be possibly released, but I imagine that sometime in 2007 is more realistic. So it then wouldn't be a problem if the comics are being released in 2007.

Also "All The Rage" is a rumor column and while what is being said makes sense, the Buffy comic could still come out in 2006.
Joss only said the comic would tie into the Spike movie so it doesn't matter what comes first. I predict that the earliest the Spike movie will begin production will be in April/May during the TV season break thingy (there's a technical term somewhere that I'm forgetting). That way Marsters and Acker will hopefully free and assuming Minear's already written it then someone else could always direct it if he's busy working on his show for next season.

The possible delay of the comic, which I'm doubting will be delayed that much, is no reason to worry about the Spike movie.
"with further miniseries written by established comic pros and overseen by Whedon."

I don't like that. I just want my Whedon miniseries, but not another fanficesque series, like Dark Horse's first, or those IDW one-shots.

And talking about deaths in the Jossverse, I'd hate to have Wes back, if that means a resurrection.
We all know the consequences of a resurrection, with Buffy. But ey, Buffy's death was some kind of mistical stuff, not a natural death. With natural death, with Joss rules, we'll have zombies (Wes, Tara, Joyce...) So I don't want that never, because that will mean incoherences, and what is worst, complete lost of future deaths impact.

Angel was in hell, so no problem.
But I always found Spike's resurrection some kind of incoherence. He died by natural death, at least by vampires natural death.

[ edited by Angel TheVampire on 2005-11-22 00:22 ]
Whedon said he'd be keeping a tighter watch on the comics than he did before. I'm choosing to think of it as being the kind of tight watch he had over the series where he edited and rewrote the scripts if they didn't work. I hope it'll be like that anyway. Failing that at least the Whedon mini will stand on its own.
I'm trying to think of anyone else that was resurrected


Darla was resurrected, but it just led to her getting vamped again, and getting staked again. She learned what it meant to have a soul, in full knowledge that she'd never have it for herself. Got spurned and burned by her ex-lover. So, not such an easy time of it.

Three resurrections, or two and a dimensional transfer, that's not so much considering the power of those involved in the resurrecting. But I think I come down on the "no resurrrection for Wesley" side of things. What's done is done.

I'm not sure that we could say that Angel in B-S3 had such an easy time of it. He was a beast for a while. He tried to kill himself. He lost Buffy for good. And he brooded a lot.

I predict that the earliest the Spike movie will begin production will be in April/May during the TV season break thingy (there's a technical term somewhere that I'm forgetting


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