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December 20 2005

IGN's Sci-Fi Brain has interviews with Wash, Book, and Saffron regarding their hopes for the DVD release. This starts their weeklong Serenity coverage. Also, IGN DVD angers Star Wars fans by their review of the Serenity DVD.

Oh why can't everyone just get along? At the end of the day, they are just movies.

Cool links btw.
I am ready for battle. Down with Star Wars! Up with Browncoats! Ok, we'll get to the battle later. First, must watch Serenity again and get some cool River-type moves.
Did a Star Wars fan just accuse Serenity of horrible acting? Really, this is just too easy.
If there was a game much like rock, paper, scissors, only instead called river, light sabers, vulcan death grips. What would beat what?
LOL eddy, that question is priceless.

I'm actually seriously thinking about an answer.
My money's on River. We've already learned that Faith can kick Vulcan ass, so I think River could handle that too, and she would just be too damn tricky for those Jedi, no matter how crazy smart they may be.
Ooh Saffron in a sequel

Now that would just be a GREAT bonus
Yet but Jedi have all those neat mind tricks. I know this cause I've played Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (best Star Wars game ever) and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II (ehhh not so much).
"It was so freaking good why didn't more people go out to see it? Only dorks like you who live in their mom's basement and hope to see a naked woman before they die eat this crap up."

They were talking about 'Serenity' fans? See, I thought that was the sterotype of Star Wars fans

Laughing gleefully at the silly little man who wrote this. I will however have to run. He may pop out of the basement and hit me with his limited edition lightsaber from The Phantom Menace.

(For the record I like Star Wars. The original trilogy anyway. Anakin *spit*)
Did a Star Wars fan just accuse Serenity of horrible acting? Really, this is just too easy.


Not only that, the same Star Wars fan accused Serenity of being derivative. That is hi-larious!
I used to be able to barely tolerate Star Wars. I mean, I always thought it was Sci Fi pabulum of the worst kind, but at least the original had some heart. What came after that was pure drivel, what with dancing teddy bears, a walking and wailing carpet, stereotyped and paper-thin characters uttering lifeless dialog against vertigo inducing CGI backdrops trying to prop up hackneyed plot lines. Does Serenity draw from what came before in the genre? Of course, every film does if you look hard enough, but in my estimation, there is little comparison in the quality of entertainment that Serenity delivers versus any Star Wars film its not even close.
It's as if these people just can't bear the thought of another movie with spaceships in it becoming a cult phenomenon...
I loved IGN's review of Serenity, though at times it did come off like "We're going to say Star Wars sucks... again!" more than a critique of Whedon's film.
[A] walking and wailing carpet


Hey, that walking and wailing carpet was one of the originals, man! But, hard to disagree with the rest.

Still and all, remember the golden Whedonesque rule, people - criticize the thought (or lack thereof), not the thinker.
"Jar Jar Binks makes the Ewoks look like f**king Shaft!" - Tim Bisley (Spaced)

Ah any reason to quote Spaced is a good one.
I've always been a huge SW fan, I was very dissappointed with what Lucas did to it. This person's thoughts are pretty damned hilarious, what a shame we missed out on such a flamer in our ranks.
Damn you Lucas, and your little dog!
And any quote from Spaced makes my day. Thanks nixs!
I loved the first two SW films. I thought the third one was OK, but the acting was pretty bad, and the Ewoks were a little hard to take. I've seen the first two prequels on TV, and I cannot imagine how anybody could defend them. They were terrible. And the acronym for the third is the most apt for the direction the franchise was going -- rots. (And, yes, I know I'm not the first to say that -- it just fits.) Firefly and Serenity were breaths of fresh air in the wake of so much garbage. Perfect? No. Do I dislike people who like SW or who don't like Serentiy? No. But the non-Browncoat reviewers generally liked Serenity -- and the SW folks cannot really say the same about reviews of the prequels. And when one compares the product vs. the price, Serenity comes in as a huge bargain!

If there was a game much like rock, paper, scissors, only instead called river, light sabers, vulcan death grips. What would beat what?

I nominate eddy's post for the "best of Whedonesque" quotation page!!! Priceless.
and the SW folks cannot really say the same about reviews of the prequels. And when one compares the product vs. the price, Serenity comes in as a huge bargain!


To be fair, Serenity and Revenge of the Sith were pretty comparable in terms of reviews. And while there are definitely people who will give Star Wars a pass just for what it is, remember the coin flips both ways -- there are others who will bash George Lucas and Star Wars without giving it a chance.

It all evens out, I think.

[ edited by The Dark Shape on 2005-12-20 04:32 ]
To be fair, Serenity and Revenge of the Sith were pretty comparable in terms of reviews


I think that's quite true. There's not a huge amount of daylight, judging from metacritic's round-up of reviews, between Serenity's 74 and ROTS's 68.
Just can't believe we're even doing the Star Wars vs. Serenity thing here.

Gawd, people. I love Star Wars for what it was. Serenity for what it is. The camps are apples and oranges, guys!

The hell? I'm frownin' big time with this.
I kind of felt all along that all the reviews comparing Serenity and Star Wars and bad mouthing Star Wars while praising Serenity was going to hurt the box office results and apparently it did turn off some SW fans. What a shame that they missed out on a great movie when they should have seen it as a torch being passed to represent the end of an era and the beginning of a new one.
"What a shame that they missed out on a great movie when they should have seen it as a torch being passed to represent the end of an era and the beginning of a new one. "


I don't see it like that, for me Revenge of the sith and Serenity are 2 very differnt movies.
Their verses are so different, while Serenity takes 500y in the future it still has alot of human elements. There is nothing supernatural about it. While Star Wars is in a fantasy,alternate universe were they have the force.
I saw both and liked both but i don't think they are comperable.
Never said they were the same premise at all. Both are great sci-fi space adventures and that's where the similarities end. Star Wars was the first really big sci-fi film/series and that's what I meant by torch passing. Serenity was great enough that if it had had the audience to see it we'd most likely be getting those sequels.

I think Star Wars fans would fall in love with Serenity just like they did with Star Wars but they have to see it first to be able to do that and it's a shame that some of them refused to see it out of anger because critics compared them and liked Serenity better. I love all kinds of sci-fi and feel there is plenty out there for all to enjoy and this "brand" loyalty is baffling to me.

[ edited by Firefly Flanatic on 2005-12-20 09:14 ]
Was reading this and thinking of the same quote Nix/SNT. I've rewatched Spaced several times now and it just keeps getting better. To paraphrase Tyres, its a sandwich of fun on ecstasy bread all wrapped up in a big bag like disco fudge - just, sometimes I wish I could control these F**KING MOOD SWINGS!!! So what are youse two 'friends' up to?

Have to agree that Fighting Fandoms(tm) is a shame and a wasted opportunity.
Fighting Fandoms(tm) would make an excellent video game. Press X to email critics abuse...
Oi Oi Oi You Lucky people!

Zeitgeist I had that as the sound that plays whenever I get a text message. Always fun times at church when it goes off ; )

[ edited by nixygirl on 2005-12-20 20:23 ]
Here ya go Redfern. What is Spaced?
There are more than a few Whedon fans who are also Spaced fans. Including a bit of mutual love between the Spaced/Shaun of the Dead creators and Joss.
I think I may as well state right now and right here--in the open--that I enjoyed all of the Star Wars films, including the prequels. I actually would count Revenge of the Sith amongst the best of the year...call me crazy, but I loved it far more than I expected.

It's hard trying to convince someone you take film seriously when everyone has such a negative outlook on apparently anyone who likes Episode III.

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