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December 21 2005

New York Magazine names Hannigan's "How I Met Your Mother" the most catchphrase-happy show on TV. Especially from Neil Patrick's character Barney, which include phrases such as "Legendary" or "Suit Up". Now, with Joss' impressions on the show.

[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2006-08-25 17:19 ]

Most Catchphrase-happy show?

You mean phrases like "Shiny", "Gorram it", "I'll be in my bunk", "Does that seem right to you?"

Wait, what happened to that show? Oh, right. It got cancelled. ;)
Ha! "survival of the glibbest"! But I do like the show...or maybe I just like Alyson.
I have to say that the show has really grown on me. Episode 10 was one of the best so far, I think.
Yep, HIMYM is fun and I have to say the catchphrases work, although I haven't consciously thought about them being catchphrases before now.
Much like Buffy, I like all the supporting characters of HIMYM better than the lead character. It's a funny show that REALLY REALLY wants to be Friends. I'll keep watching to see my weekly Allyson H. The only episode that really annoyed me was the ep where Ted got drunk and couldn't remember his evening. I hate when sober actors act drunk... it's a pet peave of mine. Have a few drinks on set, would ya? What ever happened to method acting?
HIMYM is a four-square, standard sitcom with some breathtakingly good actors: Jason Segal as Marshall, Neil Patrick Harris as Barney, and Aly--she who is my world. Barney--the man who has perfected the art of woman hunting as athletic competition--might be NPH's best role ever. (Yes, including Doogie.) Barney's dating lemon law should be written into state constitutions everywhere.
Its the only laughtrack show that I still watch. Partially because of my undying love/respect for Aly and Jason (long live Freaks & Geeks!), but also because it does genuinely amuse me.
I love this show, and I do find myself quoting Barney alot. Snowsuit up!
At first I really didn't like this show. I'm not sure if it was just because I was comparing it to Kitchen Confidential (RIP) or I was looking at it on its own merrit. KC was genius, and by far better in my opinion. BUT, HIMYM is really growing on me. Lilly and Marshall's relationship is really sweet, and I love Barney. I see myself liking it more and more each week. I really enjoyed the New Year's Eve episode but I LOVED the episode where Lilly and Marshall had the wine tasting party. I've been in the place where you want to grow up and do adult things, but you're still a kid inside. It truely is growing on me, so I'll keep watching!
I don't watch any laughtrack show (not Seinfeld, not Friends), one of the many ways in which I'm a snob. But I was flipping channels the other day and caught about 20 seconds of HIMYM. Then a few days later, a friend of mine was quoting a catchphrase I had heard in that 20 seconds:
"We are international businessmen."

AH being on the show actually turns me off because in the promos she comes off like such a sitcom character and actor. I think she's capable of much more (I say, not having actually watched the show). NPH is the one thing that tempts me to watch it...
And I'm actually most tempted to watch by the presence of Jason Segal. I've never seen him in anything other than Freaks and Geeks, but he's so great there that I could stand to see more of him.
i really do like this show, but then, I do like sitcoms, I even like Joey. This is one of my favorites at the moment though, it'll be a long time before something comes along thats as good as Scrubs or Arrested Development (which according to EOnline may well get a 4th season) but it's a genuinely funny show. Aly's great in it, NPH is hilarious though, wonder how long it'll be before they start putting "suit up" on T-shirts. I'm just worried they'll really screw it up a few seasons down the road and make it so that Robin is the "Mother" of the title, despite us having been told that she isn't.
Okay, now I have to weigh in on this too? When will you stop hounding me? The Mrs and I have gotten a little addicted. (Embarrassingly, I too have been known to proclaim "We are international businessmen!" with little or no provocation.) The structure's tight, the actors are all funny and distinct, I laugh a ton and mostly I just wanna hang out with these guys. (Actually, I sort of do hang out with them, but not the actual characters, only the actors playing them, and they're nothing like that in real life.) (Except Neal.) The show captures that age really well. And Marshall and Lily have the most romantic actual relationship since (I'm gonna go there) Zoe and Wash. I'm not a big laugh-track guy either but I think these guys have cracked the code. Aly's Thankgiving dinner rant was among her finest moments ever. I'm just sayin'.

(Now I'll just sit here and wait for my guest spot. I'M KIDDING.)

Turnips Ahoy! -j.
Like a lot of people this show really grew on me. At first I was pretty neutral on it, but the episode with Marshall's family of giants hooked me. That was brilliant. Unfortunately the next one was the Ted getting drunk. Worst episode of the season. Worst drunken acting ever.

I might like Ted more if he didn't remind me of Warren from Buffy.

I like Marshall and Lilly and Barney though. Best part of the show.

The Bob Saget voice-overs and talking to the kids are a complete waste of time and probably a significant amount of money. Whose idea was it to hire Saget?


Allyson Hannigan is adorable. She just is.

[ edited by Xane on 2005-12-22 02:01 ]
Well then, I just may have to set aside my holier-than-laughtrack stance and give this a shot... =)
Geez, Joss. Now I have to give this one another chance (didn't love it, didn't hate it) and I really don't have time for regular TV. What're ya doin' ta me, Boss?
"Marshall and Lily have the most romantic actual relationship since (I'm gonna go there) Zoe and Wash"

Joss, uh, you don't want to guest because you have an urge to impale anyone do you?

Just kidding.
That Whedon guy's a kooky fellow.
I'm going to have to watch this show. And no, I'm not saying that just to kiss Joss' ass. I don't have cable and CBS doesn't come in very well.

I've been wanting to see it though because I love Aly and NPH was the best thing about Harold and Kumar and I don't mind a laugh track every once in a while. I actually did like Friends before the last two seasons. Sorry, SNT. This time I just had to choose Nick over Aly. Maybe I'll check and see how CBS is doing on my TV reception these days. If nothing else, I'll watch it on DVD if it's released.

ETA: Oh, and I cannot stand Bob Saget. Do you actually have to see him in each episode? Does he tell his stupid jokes? I sure hope not.

[ edited by ElectricSpaceGirl on 2005-12-22 03:18 ]
And Marshall and Lily have the most romantic actual relationship since (I'm gonna go there) Zoe and Wash


I cannot believe you went there . . . :)

As for the laugh-track, I just got my Fawlty Towers complete collection DVD, watched several episodes, chuckled mightily, and only then remembered/realized that there's an (absymal) laugh-track there too.

I guess quality will out. Or will get canceled.
Here we go. Mark my words, a whole bunch of folks that trashed "HIMYM" a few months back (and for some reason supported the fairly awful and thankfully cancelled "Kitchen Confidential") are going to be "rethinking things" and "giving second chances" and "finding that the show has somehow improved."

Should be fun. Just remember, you're all on record:

http://whedonesque.com/comments/8310

This is probably coming off more snarky than I intend, but I just remember being amazed when "KC" was getting a lot more love around here than "HIMYM" just because the latter had a laugh track and a more-traditional structure. This despite the fact that "Mother" was CLEARLY the better series.

(Of course, I was the one that could never figure out the "Veronica Mars" backlash from large portions of the "Buffy" contingent until Joss fessed up to his "Mars" crush and made it a moot point.)

Anyway, glad to see "Mother" is doing well it the ratings. Glad to see Joss throwing a little love at a TV show that deserves some.
Well, bobt, let's be fair. When were ratings the only or best sign of quality? And, really, no series can be deemed "clearly" better than another.

Well, unless we're talking BtVS and Charmed.

And, continuing to be fair, I didn't and haven't seen a single ep of either Kitchen Confidential or HIMYM, but honestly, the former sounded much more appealing to me - partly because I enjoyed the snark of the book. Finally, there's nowt wrong in giving a show a second chance because someone whose opinion you respect strongly recommends it. Entirely too reasonable a position, I know. ;)
I gotta say, I think Bob Saget is hilarious. Maybe I'm the only one. I'm mostly thinking of his talk show appearances (with Conan, in particular), where he would most be himself, and he was a total riot. And I haven't even seen The Aristocrats yet, where he supposedly gives one of the filthiest renditions of The Joke. So I'm not a die-hard Saget fan, but I can't let him take s**t without speaking up. =)

SNT, I agree the inferiority of Charmed to BtVS is the one absolute in all of television. ;-)
Well, bobt, let's be fair. When were ratings the only or best sign of quality? And, really, no series can be deemed "clearly" better than another.

Well, unless we're talking BtVS and Charmed.


I think I'll run NickSeng first comment-post-rant again. Cause he's right and SNT's right also:

Most Catchphrase-happy show?

You mean phrases like "Shiny", "Gorram it", "I'll be in my bunk", "Does that seem right to you?"

Wait, what happened to that show? Oh, right. It got cancelled. ;)
NickSeng | December 21, 12:03 CET


I actually really enojyed the drunk Ted episode. Am I Mad?

Also, thanks for Harmalicious for reminding me that there was a new episode this week, just watched it about half and hour ago. Really fun episode. And I also hope, that they don't change things, especially in that Robin scenarion, since they've the Bob Saget's Ted has already mentioned her as their Aunt Robin several times during this season.
LOL.

It was more of a comment more than anything else, I guess. I do catch HIMYM every week, but more because I feel the need to support Aly in everything she does(Yep, that means I'm catching Date Movie), more than because it makes me laugh. There were times where I laughed out loud, but I can count the times that with both my hands. I guess I can't like everything Joss likes. :(

I did enjoy Kitchen Confidential a lot more, and of course, that doomed it to cancellation. Yes, I am that powerful. :)

[ edited by NickSeng on 2005-12-22 04:18 ]
jam2 --

If you ever get a chance, check out Saget's guest-starring turn in a season-two episode of HBO's "Entourage." Absolute ribald hilarity.
SNT --

As always, you make good points. And I admittedly am not in the best of moods today. One minor quibble -- I wasn't insinuating that ratings are a sign of quality. I was merely saying that it's nice to see a new show that I enjoy actually pull in decent numbers (a rarity these days).
BobTaylor, I don't think I was actually so much "re-thinking" things as much as the show actually got better.

I was prepared to like both Kitchen Confidential and How I Met Your Mother and gave both a few tries.

HILYM was just kind of "Meh" to me so I stopped taping after two weeks but then KC actually started to offend me.

So then I checked out "Mother" again, I think it was the episode with the Wine and Cheese party and I started putting effort into watching it again. Then came the family of giants. I don't know why but that just killed me.

As far as Bob Saget goes I don't hate him I just think he is a waste of time and money in this show. I actually saw him at a comedy club in Hollywood years and years ago before he ever did Full House and I thought he was the funniest guy I had ever seen.

And Numfar PB? You may want to check into that Mad thing. Just a thought. Although I suppose one could enjoy the Drunk Ted episode if one was either:

A) Drunk
B) Have never been drunk
C) Never seen anyone drunk

Again, just kidding

Mark my words, a whole bunch of folks that trashed "HIMYM" a few months back (and for some reason supported the fairly awful and thankfully cancelled "Kitchen Confidential") are going to be "rethinking things" and "giving second chances" and "finding that the show has somehow improved."



Sorry no, I've finally figured out since the latest Veronica Mars guest spot I'm not that keen on Alyson Hannigan's acting and never have been. So I'm not going to give this a second chance just because Joss likes it. I really liked Kitchen Confidential which wasn't 'awful' at all and am bummed it was cancelled.
Heh, yikes, Caroline doesn't like Aly's acting? Someone hand me some oxygen! ;-). No, seriously, I love Aly in HIMYM and in VM as well. And I'm happy Joss peeked in and told us he liked this show. I don't much mind the laughtrack and I'm one of those people who liked HIMYM more than I did KC (of which I only saw the first ep), simply because I liked the characters in HIMYM more.

It's like Joss says: these are people I'd like to hang out with. Hell, some of 'em remind me of people I do hang out with :-p. I think that may just be one of the biggest reasons I like or dislike shows, even if I tend to rationalise my reasons for liking something. I just can't stand watching people I'd dislike in real life, even if the writing ís good.

Was there a point in all this? Uhm. Well. I don't think so. Apart from HIMYM rocks. I saw the latest episode yesterday and was constantly waiting for new catchphrases to come along. Damn you, whedonesque! Damn you New York Magazine! :-p
I've never seen it but I'm patiently waiting for it to turn up in some shape or fashion in the UK next year.
Well, personally i've never had a problem with Aly's acting ability. She definately has a style all of her own but it works for me.

As for the show, the very fact it's a sitcom goes against me giving it much of a chance. Really not a sitcom fan at all, with the exception of the excellent Scrubs which goes so far beyond the norm for a sitcom that it barely counts anyway. I prefer my comedy in the standup style (such as the mighty Peter Kay) or the quiz style (Never Mind the Buzzcocks). Scripted comedy with plots (such as they are) isn't really to my taste.
I still get chocked up everytime I see Willow final look in "There's No Place Like Plrtz Girb" or when she is at Xander's bedside in "Empty Places".
Or that look on her face in 'OMWF' when Buffy sings that she was in heaven.
Yep, Aly cries or shows pain like no other. Which is funny, considering she's doing a sitcom now. But, hey, she got to cry in HIMYM as well, so it's all good ;-).
Bobtaylor, Just an FYI. Your first post after Joss's gave me a very immediate knee-jerk reaction against you and against HIMYM. It did not matter that your post was almost certainly not pointed at me, it's tone etc. made me react against the show that you were indicating you wanted to receive good ratings and wanted to continue on the air. It made me not want to bother going back and trying the show again.

I mention this because I have no doubt you would not want to do the same thing to people in the future when discussing Joss's work...and I wouldn't want you to either. ;-)

As far as AH's acting, I have to admit, though I loved her as Willow, I have not been overly thrilled about her in any other role that I have seen. She seems to me to be a one trick pony, whose one trick is very, very good. There are many wonderful Willow moments, but her other performances seemed pretty flat to me.
Here's my take on AH. I don't think she's a one trick pony, I just think she's not getting the right tricks to play (again, I haven't seen HIMYM, so I can't judge from that).

Actually, I see SMG and AH the same way. If they are given characters with heart (Buffy, Willow), they can really shine. I don't think Sarah has been playing characters with heart, and I haven't seen Aly do it either. I agree with Caroline about her performance on Veronica Mars, because Trina Echolls basically has no heart (just a tiiiiiny glimmer of one in her last appearance). But Aly broke my heart as Willow more times than I can count, and I think Willow's heart also made her funnier. And I'm not saying Joss is the only one who can give characters heart, I think Sarah and Aly need to look for those kinds of parts, because they have the emotional depth to pull them off. MHO...
And Marshall and Lily have the most romantic actual relationship since (I'm gonna go there) Zoe and Wash.

Why now I am afraid that Marshall will die soon in the show? Uhm...
There are a number of things wrong with HIMYM (the lameness of the flashback structure, the blandness of Ted, the laugh track), but Aly sure as hell isn't one of 'em. The Thanksgiving episode was all about Lily's trauma over meeting Marshall's enormous (in all senses of the word) family, and Aly carried it with ease. The scene where Lily thinks she's pregnant with Marshall's (probably-) gigantic baby and she stares at the stuffed turkey on the counter? The look of terror and nausea was prime Aly. Great stuff.
Bobtaylor, Just an FYI. Your first post after Joss's gave me a very immediate knee-jerk reaction against you and against HIMYM. It did not matter that your post was almost certainly not pointed at me, it's tone etc. made me react against the show that you were indicating you wanted to receive good ratings and wanted to continue on the air. It made me not want to bother going back and trying the show again.


Actually, you just kind of proved my point right there. I think too many people around here judge TV shows based on what others post, what Joss thinks, preconceived notions, the format of the show, etc., perhaps without ever actually sampling the show in question for more than 15 minutes. (And, yes, I find myself occasionally guilty of this myself). The phenomenon strikes me as incredibly interesting, and since I write regularly about TV, I feel the need to discuss.

Plus, as previously stated, the disregard and/or dislike for "HIMYM" around here used to be fairly thick. It'll be interesting to see if there's a major change now.
Bobtaylor, Interesting take on what I said and on others reactions. It all seems fairly basic to me and not only about the people on this board.

It is pretty normal for human beings in general to base their decisions of what things they are willing to try out on the opinions of people they trust. It is hardly shameful that if a writer someone respects or a friend who has similar tastes to themselves expresses a liking for something, that that person may give it more of a try than they did when it was a totally unknown quantity. This would be especially true if there is something about the work that particularly rubs the person the wrong way, such as a particular actor, a laugh track, type of subject matter or type of structure. Any of which will bother some people and not others.

It is also human nature to shy away or reject the things that are put forth by people who rub you the wrong way or attack you. That is the reason why sales people are charming rather than insulting. That is the reason why a charming person can sell horrible and useless products whereas an abrasive or arrogant person may not be able to give away the best and most useful item that world has ever seen.

In my own case I watched a few episodes of HIMYM and as I said on another thread, I was getting tired of the “shaggy dog story” aspect of it. The laugh track did not bother me, plenty of good shows have had laugh tracks. The idea that they might go on year after year telling the story of not meeting the kid’s mother, started tiring me out, however. I said at the time, that it might not turn out that way, that the show might turn out fine, but I have a very hectic life that makes it hard to get in front of the TV at a particular time on a particular night, or even make sure there is a tape in the machine and that the VCR is set properly. Therefore after a few episodes I did not worry about trying to catch it.

When Joss said it is getting good, I took it much like I have taken recommendations from people on this board that I should try certain comic book series, i.e. seriously but not with religious fervor. I probably will not interrupt my son’s homework so I can watch it, just like I have not stopped preparing for the holidays so I could find the comic books that were recommended. On the other hand, if I am available to watch TV on a Monday at whatever time it is, I will give it a try. If I can get to the library while I’m on vacation after Christmas, I’ll look for the comic books that people on the board so politely and helpfully suggested. ;-D
I just can't stand watching people I'd dislike in real life, even if the writing ís good.


GVH, I agree. I figured out a long time ago that life is too short to hang out with people you don't like, whether in person, on TV, in books - or even online ;). There are enough people I do like to hang out with to keep me busy!

I haven't caught "HIMYM" yet, in spite of AH being in it, partly because I hardly ever watch sitcoms anymore and partly because of time constraints.

jam2, Bob Saget's rendition of the joke in "The Aristocrats" is one of the filthiest, but I found it one of the funniest - maybe because he's cracking himself up trying to get worse and worse.

Edited to correct a grammar mistake I missed the first time!

[ edited by samatwitch on 2005-12-23 04:47 ]
Fair enough, newcj.

For the record, I'm not really trying to "sell" anyone on HIMYM. Watch, don't watch, whatever. It's honestly not THAT good a show that people should clear their schedule to tune in. (Unlike, say, "Veronica Mars," "Deadwood," "Lost"...) But it usually makes for an enjoyable half hour if you're home on the couch on Monday nights.
I don't like laugh track shows and I don't think this one is really that great. But if its on and I got the channel there I won't turn in disgust. Its the only CBS show I've ever watched. Its not appointment tv but its ok for what it is. Alyson and Neil are the stand outs.
jam2, Bob Saget's rendition of the joke in "The Aristocrats" is one of the filthiest, but I found it one of the funniest - maybe because he cracking himself up trying to get worse and worse.

Yes, I meant "filthy" in a good way. Looking forward to seeing it. =)
For the Saget fan(s), you might want to catch him in a couple of S1 eps of Showtime's "Huff".

Extra WHEDONesque tie-in: I think Alan Tudyk went to Spamalot for a while because Hank Azaria had to go film Huff's S2.
I just can't stand watching people I'd dislike in real life, even if the writing ís good.

I'd never watch House if that were the case for me! :~P
While it came off somewhat harsh, bobtaylor does have a point, and its one that was made (I was one of the makees - is that a word? It is now) when el Joss posted on his Veronica Mars love. Those of us who had been preaching VM-love all along felt like our opinions didn't matter just cause they weren't in purple. Having said that, I'm glad that Joss can encourage some to take a look at a show they may have passed up otherwise. In spite of my hatred of the laughtrack and my initial dislike of NPH's performance (as stated in my first post in the linked thread) I have come to enjoy his performances since (see my subsequent posts in the linked thread and various other pre-Josslove threads on this show) and I have not missed an ep of this so far (The Slutty Pumpkin, the VIP ep, and The Christmas Ep being some of the faves) and still have it all on my TiVo.

However, I do have to say that I think it has gotten better so... The other comment being that I vehemently disagree with bob's assessment of KC, which I thought was good and getting better, though there are points of quibbling that I have with choices made and continuity of character for some people.
Zeitgeist, I'm really surprised to hear/see you say that about Veronica Mars. Don't I count? (sniff, sniff) I only tried VM because the people on this board had said they liked it...and none of them were purple. Like so many other things, I had never heard of it before people here made a case for it. So I watched it when they replayed the first episode last Jan or Feb. I liked it but was not hooked until near the end of the season when I started getting more of what was going on. I seem to recall other people also watching it on the recommendation of the folks here, some liking it and some not so much.

Let's see, I also got some episodes of Deadwood from the library because of folks here and tried to watch Arrested Developement for the same reason. Hmmm, seems like there is more. Oh yeah, I'd never heard of Firefly when I first came here or that there was going to be a movie made from the same show...that I'd never heard of. That's all I have time to think of now, but there may be more without any of them being from purple people. (Well, I guess they could be purple people, it's so hard to tell on the internet.)
And to offer another counter-opinion: I tried Veronica Mars on the strength of the recommendations of many here - yes, and Joss's did count double, - and enjoyed the first few episodes enough to shell out on the first season DVD set. And yet . . . it's well-made, Kristin Bell is terrific, as is Enrico Colantani, funny in parts, but it just hasn't grabbed me. So, even with the purple rec, I tried and failed to be conquered. What can ya do? Tastes is tastes. :)
I didn't mean to say that NO ONE listened when we preached :) There is a lot of show sharing going on here and at .org :D so I wasn't intending to be so absolute about it and sorry it came out that way. No offense intended, just a little headshaking :) /laughs re: purple people :D

ETA - I also want to say that I totally understand that the recommendation from Joss might carry more weight when than others, especially when there already aren't enough hours in the week.
Let me clear up one thing here. I think it's perfectly fine -- fabulous even -- for people to discover a new show they haven't seen before because it's recommended by the fine people on this site (or any other, for that matter).

What irks me is when people will actively denounce a show for whatever reason and then magically change their mind once the man in purple (not Prince, by the way) speaks up in favor of said show. It happened with "Veronica," maybe not necessarily here at Whedonesque, but definitely in some Whedon-centric corners of the Net, and, after Joss posted yesterday, I could foresee it happening again with "HIMYM."

It irked me not because I'm a crabby bastard (though I am sometimes that), but because a few weeks into the show's run, it seemed like me and only a few others saw the good things the show had to offer, while everyone else complained about the laugh track, the flashback structure, the standard sitcom formula, etc. Zeitgest is right, it doesn't feel all that great when some of us are screaming unsuccessfully at brick walls, only to see those walls blown to smithereens when Joss throws his support (which is exactly what happened with "Veronica.")

But, hey, I guess that's the power you wield when you've created not one, not two, but three of the most enjoyable TV shows of all time.
Aww, I wasn't really offended, zeitgeist. Just trying to fit in with the "feeling unappreciated" crowd. The "disaffected adult" thing on the other thread didn't seem to be working for me, so I saw an opening and thought I'd try it. Now that I've spilled the beans I'll probably be out of this club too. Oh well, I'll just keep trying cause, you know, conformity thy name is newcj. ;-)

"it doesn't feel all that great when some of us are screaming unsuccessfully at brick walls, only to see those walls blown to smithereens when Joss throws his support "

Hmmm, I can appreciate the problem. I've never known brick walls to be affected by screaming. Joss can blow them apart with pure enthusiasm, but I've always found that the only thing that works for me is a small pick used sparingly and in a very targeted way over a long period of time. ;-)
If only I could somehow persuade Joss to post a message saying "Point Pleasant doesn't suck"! Okay, maybe it's just me, then. I'll shut up and go away...
Or, better yet, we could go the other route and have Joss publically announce how much he hates the shows we don't like and want to see cancelled.

I'd like to be first to request that Joss use all his influence to ensure the rapid demise of The O.C. and any similar lame teem dramas that have spawned in recent years. Oh, and anything featuring Paris Hilton, obviously!
I'm told the M*A*S*H* dvd sets let you TURN OFF the laugh track! I think every dvd set manufactured from now on should be required to add this feature. Laugh tracks are just lame. The Simpsons was originally supposed to have one. Do you honestly think the Simpsons would be in its 17th season if it had included a laugh track from the beginning? I certainly don't.

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