I still miss Firefly more. I also miss Angel more than Buffy. That would be my top three. Next would be Enterprise, Sports Night, Undeclared, Freaks and Geeks, and Firefly again(just because I miss it so much).

LOUiE | December 28, 12:34 CET

definitely miss the buffyverse

ChosenOne5376 | December 28, 13:01 CET

I do miss all whedon shows.
Mostly Buffy and Firefly.
What tames my thirst is the thought that I`ll be getting my Chosen Collection and my Serenity DVDs soon.

Numfar PTB | December 28, 14:45 CET

I hate the fact that Firefly was cut down before its time and that Angel was basically killed in its prime - but I still miss Buffy more. Firefly could have become that show, but it didn't have time to make it.

I miss Buffy a lot.

crossoverman | December 28, 15:18 CET

RE: Friends, I don't know how anyone could be missing it when reruns are constantly been shown on TV. I liked it, but not to the same level that I like Jossverse shows, and I think that it was the right time to end it.

I still can't make up my mind about which I would like more, Firefly or the Buffyverse. Firefly never had the same amount of time to affect any of us, and yet I still care so much about these characters and their lives from just 13 episodes and a film. But there is definitely the potential there to sustain much longer plots and introduce new characters and see what happens to our Big Damn Heroes.

And of course I love the Buffyverse completely, and I miss both Buffy and Angel passionately. At the same time, I felt with Buffy that whilst it wasn't getting stale (I typoed "stake" there ;) ) it was probably a good time to end it, or at least to have changed the status quo a little, or something, which I'm sure would have happened had the show continued.

With Angel, I do think it deserved a couple more seasons because there were so many interesting plot ideas which had only just begun or not seen through to finality. With Buffy, it felt like the end of a chapter in the book, and we did have some level of closure and triumph, whereas with Angel it was like the chapter wasn't even finished, where there were just too many unanswered questions.

So obviously there is a huge amount of connection with the Buffyverse over its 254 episodes, which seems so huge compared to the little we've seen of Firefly. I certainly want a return to the Buffyverse, but at the moment I miss Firefly more because I've seen so little of it in comparison, and at least we have 254 mostly amazing episodes of the Buffyverse.

Razor | December 28, 15:49 CET

I never saw Firefly when it was broadcast, so I don't have as much of the same sense of missing it, as fond as I am of it. And I think I lean more towards Angel in terms of missing 'verse shows. The second half of the fifth season in particular was so good, and I really wanted a sixth season -- and that feeling still hasn't gone away. But I do miss Buffy, too. Of the shows listed, it should certainly top the list.

palehorse | December 28, 15:49 CET

I miss Buffy terribly but I also feel like it had a good run. I've got closure about it. I also miss Angel but am still heartbroken that Wesley died; he was my favorite character (beside Spike). If any show came back, I'd rather it be Firefly simply because it was cut the shortest. While I loved Serenity, I think 2 hours is a poor substitute for the 16 some odd hours we would have had.

Wonderfalls should also come back. Great, funny show & I miss it (almost) as much as any of the Jossverse shows.

The only show I watch on TV now is Veronica Mars. I also watch Gilmore Girls & House but I buy these on DVD once the season is over so I can watch them all at once. I'll buy VM as well but still watch it on TV b/c I figure it needs all the viewership it can get since cancellation always seems to be a threat (I will be devastated if VM gets cancelled!). Then there's the fact that I'm not sure I could wait for VM to come out on DVD. I love that show-can't wait for more new episodes!

lyrabelacqua | December 28, 16:35 CET

yeah seriously. i totally miss buffy. ive been watching "Chosen" over and over again and I just can't believe it's the end!

savvy_guitar_chic | December 28, 16:47 CET

I have still not watched all of my Season 7 Buffy which I bought about a years ago. Once I have seen all of it, heard the commentaries, seen the extras, it really will be over. Buffy was first and was longest in my life so I miss it the most. But the lack of any Whedon on TV is worse.

Lioness | December 28, 16:53 CET

I miss The Inside. To be honest, I think Buffy and Angel both had good runs -- I think Angel was good for another season as the show was all about the reinvention (kind of like my life, as it happens) but I'm not about to chop my arm off because it won't return.

And with regards to Star Trek being number 1 - oh dear. I'm glad Star Trek is off the air. It's tired and needs to rest.

gossi | December 28, 17:00 CET

i miss buffy most because of how long it was on. i had more time to get attatched to the characters. Followed by angel, firefly, dead like me, and roswell.

pongluver | December 28, 17:08 CET

"And with regards to Star Trek being number 1 - oh dear. I'm glad Star Trek is off the air. It's tired and needs to rest."

I find it interesting that these two were competing for the number #1 spot. The loyalty of the fans is quite similar and if this verses fans remain as loyal as ST fans have after so many years, we'll undoubtedly see more of this verse over time. Which, I think we already are. 'Course, times they are a changing, because now books aren't the only alternative. We now also have graphic novels, DVD movies, TV movies, etc. as viable options in which we may see our 'verse continue.

If I remember this right, Trek only did so-so while on the air. It was only after it ended that the loyalty continued to grow over time. I think that's what's happening with all things Whedon as well.

[ edited by Grace on 2005-12-28 15:36 ]

Grace | December 28, 17:30 CET

I hear you on Dead Like Me. I really enjoyed that show. Not so much Roswell. I could just never get into it :( I also never liked Star Trek... I think it's the aliens. I'm prejudiced against aliens. I even (don't hate me! it's just my opinion!) never really liked Star Wars all that much. I vaguely remember seeing it as a kid (loved the ewoks, I remember) but tried to rewatch it a few months ago and only made it through the first movie & half of the second one.

Strangely, I enjoyed Pitch Black & Aliens. Maybe it's just aliens that can talk...

lyrabelacqua | December 28, 17:32 CET

Changed the link to that of the BBC site. I'm amused that Stargate is one of the most missed shows.

Simon | December 28, 17:40 CET

For me I think Btvs had run its course and while I was sad it was ending I felt it was right. Although now looking back I do often wish it had ended in S5.

I miss Ats far more for a few reasons:-

1) It went before it or I was ready for it to be gone and had so much left to tell.

2) Unlike on Btvs I still loved all the characters. I had re-loved Xander just in time, but I still can't stand what they did to Willow and where her charcter ended up.

3) The missed opportunities that might have unfolded. *sobs*

exoticmushroom | December 28, 17:52 CET

I miss Buffy like I miss old friends. I still manage to watch at least an episode or two almost every night of the week. I still cry everytime Buffy, Willow and Xander all go their seperate ways in the halls of the high school on their way to fight the First. I will always miss Buffy. TV movies would help that a great deal though...hint hint.

skeezycheeses | December 28, 18:06 CET

I miss the Buffyverse more than anything, but I loved both BTVS and ATS.

spikeylover | December 28, 18:14 CET

As long as we don't ever get Buffy: The Next Generation sans Joss in 10 years time, I'm happy. Unless, you know, it's good.

gossi | December 28, 18:28 CET

I'm amused that "The A-Team" is one of the most missed shows. I got closure with the Buffyverse, its the Angelverse that has me craving more stories. The last season was phenomenal and I think it had one or two more seasons left in it. While I like Firefly, I just don't have the same emotional connection that I do to the other two shows.

killinj | December 28, 18:32 CET

lyrabelacqua - very cool nickname!
I am re-reading His Dark Materials over the holidays. What made you choose it?

redfern | December 28, 18:42 CET

I'm a huge Philip Pullman fan; it's the only thing that rivals my obsession with Joss ;) I was 13 or 14 when the Golden Compass came out and, by then, I loved Philip Pullman & had read all of his books. He still remains my favorite author. For a while I really wished Joss would somehow get interested in directing the movies (New Line will be producing it-huge budget and in the tradition of LoTR) but I've given up that hope. Not sure how good a fit it would be for either of them but I can dream, can't I? Anand Tucker has recently been named the director.

As for using lyrabelacqua as my screen name...well, all of the good Jossverse ones were taken! Besides, I was interested to see how many Pullman fans were also Whedon fans...

lyrabelacqua | December 28, 18:59 CET

Lyra - any recommendations? I've only read His Dark Materials.

redfern | December 28, 19:23 CET

Gossi: Joss will only be Fifty-one in ten years time, so I think we can expect, if there ever is a 'Buffy, the Next Generation', that he is in charge of it.
But personally I'm hoping for a 'Firefly Revisited' with an older and wiser Mal and Zoe, and a cranky old Jayne. I miss the Buffyverse but I am far more in love with the Fireflyverse.

embers | December 28, 19:32 CET

All of his books are good but the Sally Lockhart trilogy is second best to His Dark Materials. The first book, The Ruby in the Smoke, introduced me to Pullman when I was 9 or so.

lyrabelacqua | December 28, 20:00 CET

well yeah, i think it was good that buffy ended before we got sick of it or something like that, but all the same, I hate how I don't have anymore episodes to watch...

savvy_guitar_chic | December 28, 20:43 CET

I don't really think "missed" necessarily means "needs to be brought back to television." Maybe for that list - or maybe people didn't understand the poll's questions or something. I miss Buffy, too - I cry every time I come around anything about the final episode, and I cried when watching the extra disc from the Chosen collection. I put off watching season seven until this year, actually - even though I purchased it as soon as it came out.

But Buffy was happily concluded, and I don't actually think it needs to be back in new episodes. I miss Buffy painfully sometimes - but it's more like missing the times that the episodes that do exist originally aired, than wishing for more. When I watched the last episode of Buffy, I felt like my childhood had ended. I was very close to Buffy's age throughout the series, as she grew up, so did I.

Firefly and Angel, on the other hand - didn't finish. Their stories aren't yet told to a satisfactory completion. I don't miss them as painfully probably because they didn't get to finish. Do I think they need their stories to be finished? Yeah. But I don't get all misty-eyed about them like with Buffy, because's Buffy's gone never to come back again.

kioria | December 28, 20:54 CET

Buffy the Vampire Slayer will always be number one in my book. You can never forget your first love. The heart of writing of this series really caught my attention. Joss took my breath away and I challenge another writer to do the same. Angel is following a close second for the same reason.

With that said, I must admit that Ron Moore's BSG is becoming very interesting. IMO, I'm thinking Ron took a lesson or two from Joss' way of writing. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps I'm not. Only know this. BSG has been the only series that caught my interest since the end of BtVS and AtS.

Madhatter | December 28, 21:58 CET

Madhatter, don't forget Deadwood!

And I agree so much with your first two sentences. No show will ever be missed by me more than BtVS. Ever.

Willowy | December 28, 22:07 CET

I miss what was associated with Buffy.

And in no particular order.

Leoff's wildefeed.
The affectionate snark at Boils and Blinding Torment.
The spoilers we got from Tensai, AnGel X and Wendy and others.
The avid passionate discussion before and after each episode aired.
The writers posting at the Bronze Beta.
Friendships, relationships and communities forming as a result of the show. It still happens now but not so much.
Pics from the Posting Board Party (I'm sure I wasn't the only one who wished they could have gone).
The trailers for each episode.
Buying the UK VHS boxsets.
Debates about the hair styles.

Simon | December 28, 22:12 CET

If it's a Brit poll it's not surprising Buffy did so well and AtS and Firefly don't make it into the list. AtS has been badly treated by British terrestrial TV - odd hours, atrociously cut about, sudden disappearances, changes of channel. Firefly has never been on a terrestrial channel at all to the best of my knowledge. Buffy was on BBC2 at the same time, same day for all seven seasons, with a late night uncut repeat for at least the last three. It built up a much stronger following. Star Trek for that matter was almost invariably on BBC2 at the same time of the same day for a decade or more.

These things make a difference.

Gill | December 28, 22:19 CET

Hello, Willowy, it's so good to hear from you. Haven't forgotten about Deadwood. It's the waiting 'til June that wants me to throw fruits and various meats at HBO. Ahhh!

Back to BtVS and AtS. These rumors of 'direct to DVD', what do you think? Personly, I kinda' doubt it.

Madhatter | December 28, 22:26 CET

Ah Simon, I even miss the idea of those things you list - and I bemoan the fact that I wasn't part of the community at that time and so can't complain about my inability to get out to L.A. (or wherever) for parties and such.

I miss BtVS hugely. Particularly the "live-ness" of it - the feeling that anything at all could happen next time, and the wonderful excitement and anxiety I experienced in viewing the changes and growth in the lives of these characters who became our friends.

SoddingNancyTribe | December 28, 22:28 CET

I'm with you kioria. I miss Buffy the most, but I think it ended at the right place. (Although Joss has now promised us the "eighth season" in comic book form, and if it were a choice between the comic book and live action, well watching the actors bring the characters to life does if for me).

But there are so many more stories in the Buffy/Angelverse that could go on and on. Like following up on Faith (now that Tru Calling is uncalled, why not?) And of course Willow, and Giles and the whole new Watchers Council. And there are so many minor characters that I'd love to see followed up on. What ever happened to Whistler? I know he was originally slated for Doyle's slot on Angel and I assume that meant he was going to die Doyle's death - but it didn't happen that way, so he's still out there somewhere roaming the Buffyverse, still serving the Powers that Be? What about Doyle's ex-wife? I'd love to see her show up again. And the young woman with the telekinetic powers that the Angel gang saved in season two? She could be up to something interesting. Or Gwen the electro-shock thief. I'd love to see things developing with her and Gunn (assuming he didn't die in that alley). It would just be so great to have a 'verse show that could touch on all those great characters.

That said, Firefly definitely died way, way before it's time, and in a just universe would come back to television to be allowed to really explore its potential.

The other one-season wonder that I've just discovered is Freaks and Geeks. In fact, I just finished watching the entire second half of the series this past week. What an incredible show! It just got better and better, funnier and more heartbreaking at the same time, as it went on. (It's sort of a Buffy without the monsters series). It's just plain criminal that it was cancelled before it could develop so many of the story arcs.

barboo | December 28, 22:41 CET

Freaks and Geeks! I'm with you, barboo. Another show I only belatedly watched - and absolutely adore. I bought the super-duper special collector's edition recently, just to get my absolute fill of the show. And watching the table readings of the cast was delightful - and made me think how wonderful it would have been to have watched table reads from BtVS. Such regrets.

SoddingNancyTribe | December 28, 22:50 CET

I'm rewatching Buffy all the way through for the umpteenth time...I've just finished Season 3 and am about to dive into Season 4. BtVS Seasons 1-7 are an amazing and complete narrative, but god, how I miss the show as a continuing, living, dynamic force.** I miss knowing what happens next, because of course we all know that amazing stuff keeps on happening off-camera to our beloved gang post-"Chosen." More generally, as I contemplate what's on TV now, even though there are incredible shows like Deadwood - that's for Willowy! - I miss BtVS's originality, its spirit, its deeply engrossing, hypnotically addictive and strangely comforting (despite all the pain) world. Most of all, I miss its amazing characters who, as SNT says, became our friends. I also miss that which was associated with it, as Simon pointed out. I can dive into BtVS again and again and get more out of it each time but I miss it anyway, the show itself and its wider, fan-based context. Damnit.

I also miss AtS desperately, but in a different way. I get a churning, hurting, melancholic feeling in my stomach about AtS that is not there for BtVS. AtS was stopped too soon. "Not Fade Away" may be my favorite series finale of all time, but it hurts to think that Joss et al's big plans for Season 6 were thwarted. Damnit.

As for Firefly, well, I loved it to death. What a world! What characters! Yet as much as I loved it, in the end there wasn't enough of it for me to invest so totally in it as I have in the Buffyverse. Mainly I feel blisteringly angry that we have been denied years of character and plot development in the Fireflyverse. As good as Serenity is, it isn't that. Damnit.

**Strangely, even though I've seen BtVS 1-7 a gajillion times, every time I watch it through again I see new things. In that way the narrative *is* a continuing, living, dynamic force. Anyone else experience this? It's downright uncanny.

phlebotinin | December 28, 23:06 CET

barboo and SNT, is Freaks and Geeks so amazing that it's really worth purchasing versus, say, renting? I'm seriously tempted to put some Xmas money in it. I guess I wish to be convinced to go forward and find a new, wonderful thing.

phlebotinin | December 28, 23:08 CET

The thing that really choked my heart in BtVS was Willow. I saw the issue forming in the second season. As the seasons continued, I watched Willow sink deeper into herself and I realized it would get bad. And it did.

Madhatter | December 28, 23:12 CET

phleb, I'd pragmatically recommend renting the first disc to see how you like the characters and setting. I fell for it pretty hard almost immediately, but then I have an enormous soft spot for well-written high school outsider shows (BtVS, My So-Called Life, et al.) Funny, I started watching Fs&Gs on DVD at the same time as trying to watch Veronica Mars on DVD - and quickly shelved the latter so that I could finish the entire run of the former. Not saying it's a "better" show, just that it sucked me in more easily . . .

SoddingNancyTribe | December 28, 23:15 CET

phleb, I echo SNT. Rent it, watch a few episodes and then decide. For me the quality of the writing was apparent immediately, but it took a little while for the characters to grow on me. But having just finished watching it this week on rental there is no question in my mind that I will own it at some point. (Like after the house refinancing.) After SNT's message I am leaning toward getting the superduper expensive collector's version. So far, it is the only show I've seen that makes me both laugh and cry at the same time, the way BtVS did.

Incidentally, one of the freak guys is now playing Alyson Hannigan's fiancee on How I Met Your Mother, and one of the geeks was on Kitchen Confidential along with Nick Brandon.

I also only just learned that the F&G creator made another 1-season series about life as an undergraduate called Undeclared. Next on my list of things to rent. Haven't watched Veronica Mars. Have to see if Best Video has it yet.

barboo | December 29, 01:03 CET

I'm coming at this from a very different angle--as a rule, I don't watch broadcast TV, and haven't done so on a regular basis for a dozen years or more. That rule's been broken this year for BSG, after a friend shared SkyOne copies of BSG Season 1 with me (and yes, I bought the DVDs later...).

So I don't miss TV, really. Of the shows that are listed, I'm relatively certain the only one I saw first run was the A-Team. :-)

I come into Joss's world by way of Firefly, and am just now beginning to watch the Buffyverse. I picked up a used S1 BtVS set last month and enjoyed it, and will be springing for a 'Chosen Collection' since I didn't get one for Christmas.

There is something to be said for being unfashionably late to watch things; I thorougly enjoyed watching all five seasons of Babylon 5 in the space of a few months in 2004, courtesy of Netflix. I certainly like the power of neither having to "be somewhere" on a particular night nor arranging to record a show.

At the same time, there's certainly less emotional involvement in things. Staying unspoiled is pointlessly hard, so some of the plot twists aren't as shocking as they are when you see them and react with an entire equally surprised fanbase. Plus, you're watching something that has unfolded, not something that's currently unfolding. There is less of a sense of imminence, of potential. When I rented the Firefly DVDs from Netflix, I knew there were precisely four--no more, no less--and that was the totality of the world.

All this to say, I have to make judgements based on the closure (or lack thereof) of a series. I suspect that when I get all done watching, I will have regretted Angel's demise more than Buffy's.

jclemens | December 29, 01:23 CET

Buffy will always be my #1 show. As Madhatter previously stated, you can never forget your first love. No matter how many times she may have died.

ChosenGuy317 | December 29, 01:35 CET

I miss all of those things too Simon. I didn't get into the Buffy community until it was on UPN but all of those things added to the experience of watching a tv show. I've yet to really absorb myself in a fan community the way I did Buffy/Angel and that makes me sad.

eddy | December 29, 03:27 CET

The TV series I miss the most is Forever Knight. That was my first (and only, until now) fandom.

Not many people who post here seem familiar with the show, which surprises me a bit. It has some parallels to Joss's work, in the theme of a vampire trying to stop killing, in the subtexts and metaphors, and in the way the show acquired a cult following without promotion, from people who stumbled on it by accident. Forever Knight's production budget was about fifty cents Canadian, but the acting was very good, the writing uneven but often good, and the cinemetography was amazing.

janef | December 29, 04:45 CET

I'm not sure if it is so much that I miss Buffy as it is that I miss the community I created while watching Buffy (Tuesday night must see rituals, season finale parties).

I crave the unexplored narratives of Firefly and AtS.

Mostly I miss the depth in the dialogue and story structure. A friend has been trying to hook me on Hex - and I love the concept of the comic lesbian ghost - but the writing seems to miss opportunities left and right. Another friend is helping me catch up on Veronica Mars - which dulls the craving ache. But I miss being able to create family and rituals around Joss' stories and characters.

Zannadoo | December 29, 05:32 CET