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January 11 2006

Flanvention II Tickets On Sale Now and Going Fast. Flanvention II runs Dec. 8-10, 2006 in Burbank, CA, with attendance limited to 500. Nathan Fillion is the first guest announced.

Big Damn Passes for Flanvention II sold out in under 5 hours. One third of the Weekend Passes are now gone.

Although the almost identical announcement was posted yesterday, I suppose the tickets now going on sale qualifies as new news. But I've amended the link somewhat to make it sound a little less like an unqualified plug, and a little more like a public service announcement. For such is our function. :)
Thank you very much soddingnancytribe, for all your flunctions here.

Concidering so many missed a chance to goto the first one, want to give them the chance to goto this one. I just didn't know the tickets were going to go onsale so quick and not even the poor promoter knew they would sell that fast. She thought there was a bug or virus in the system and was calling the web guy all freaked out cause the numbers were changing so fast. He told her it wasn't a bug they were selling. I think she needs a rest after today.

:)

[ edited by RavenU on 2006-01-11 03:17 ]
"Flunctions." Hee.

Aw, RavenU, you're just buttering me up . . . 'cos you know that always works. I like butter.
So the weekend pass is the only option?

And it's amazing to me how many folks are already buying tickets for a largely uncertain convention. I mean, Nathan's one of the greatest actors I've ever met, but I'm not sure I'd pay $460 for just him. And at this point, that's all it is. And of course, given the nature of actor's schedules, he's not even a guarantee. I'm sure more actors will sign up, but I'm not big on speculation buying.

But if you've got the money, I think everyone needs to meet Nathan at least once. If there were a con with him, James Marsters, and Alexis Denisof...well...there would be no words for how cool that would be.
Well, part of the draw is that the earlier you buy, the better seats you get. I lived in San Francisco for a while but have never been in Southern Cal so this is a good excuse for a visit.
Well, RS, the High Stakes event (that we both were fortunate to attend) had Nathan and Alexis (plus Joss, Aly, Nicky, Amber, Amy, Adam, Danny, Tom, JAR . . . OK, I'll stop there) - and that was quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever attended, and the coolest thing I will ever attend. I don't think I'll see its like again. And the cause was pretty decent too . . . :)

The pulling power of the Flanvention organizers/Booster gals, judging by its track record, appears pretty strong. I don't think I'll be buying tickets just yet, but I'm sure additional names will be added to the roster.
Well, I couldn't resist, considering how cool the first one was. Weekend Pass is good enough for me.
Danny Strong was at a con last year which I attended and I went to the meet and greet event. He did his standard polite conversation and when it was time for him to move to the next table I said "By the way. I just want to thank you for your efforts in the last election". He sat right back down again and we discussed politics for a while.
Well, part of the draw is that the earlier you buy, the better seats you get. I lived in San Francisco for a while but have never been in Southern Cal so this is a good excuse for a visit.

No doubt, you'll get great seats. My question would be, seats to see what or whom, ya know? To me, *that* is where the value of the tickets lie. And I realize folks are assuming that most of the actors will show up again, and it's probably a safe bet, but for me personally, it's too much money to hope with.

And Burbank is lovely, the whole valley is. If you get any time outside the con, you should go exploring!

Well, RS, the High Stakes event (that we both were fortunate to attend) had Nathan and Alexis (plus Joss, Aly, Nicky, Amber, Amy, Adam, Danny, Tom, JAR . . . OK, I'll stop there) - and that was quite possibly the coolest thing I have ever attended, and the coolest thing I will ever attend. I don't think I'll see its like again. And the cause was pretty decent too . . . :)


To this day, nothing I've done has topped that event. Nor do I think anything in the future will. And I dare say, the accessibility of the actors makes it something that even a JM/AD/NF con couldn't beat! I mean, I've got the best picture I've ever been a part of ...I just can't imagine anything better than that! :~)
Rouge, you paid at least $100 for the Highstakes event which lasted 3 hours, and yes it was a great and enjoyable event. The Flanvention is not Highstakes and it's not trying to be. It's kinda an apple to redwood comparison. However, the number of hours you will see or interact with the guest is around 14 hours or more over the whole weekend, going by the Highstakes cost that many hours would cost around $500 total, so the Flan is actually about the same, if you break it down to a comparison based on cost vs hours of interaction.
I'm buying them ASAP.
Well, I wasn't comparing the two events. At all. SNT brought up Highstakes, and I was saying how hard it is to top.

But at this point, if we *were* to compare, with just Nathan signed up, yeah, Highstakes has it beat all over the place. Now obviously others will sign up, and I'm sure it will be a grand time. But I was just saying, for *me*, it's too much money to pay for what's being offered right now, and even if all the BDH's signed up, I'd still choose the Highstakes event for various reasons.

Everyone has their own idea of what their money is worth to them, I was just stating I was surprised that people do that, and that I wouldn't.
Eh, I'll be shut out once again. Someone wake me when the cast and/or crew comes to the Pacific Northwest for something less than more money than I can afford.
And I wasn't really trying to make a direct comparison of the Flanvention and High Stakes, either, just saying how great the latter was. BTW, I think the minimum donation was $50, not $100, for HS. Not that the cost was the thing at all.

But I guess the bigger point is that HS was a one-off last-minute fortuitous lining up of constellations. Can't plan a convention that way - and the Flanvention is probably going to be as good as anything you'll get in your regularly-scheduled programming.
SNT - I said a $100 cause it was the cost for 2. Since RS had mention the cost would be $460, when a single ticket is $229. That's why I said $100.
I went to the first one, and it wasn't worth it. The dealers' room was great, but you didn't need to be registered to go into there, and the panels were great, but... eh. Between panels, when everyone who had the Big Shiny (or whatever they were called) passes went to whatever brunch or cocktail party or whatnot, everything stopped for all of the "cheap" ($240 is cheap???) ticket holders, and the only thing provided for us to do while that was going on was to go into a room and watch Firefly episodes that we all already have on a small TV, and sometimes not even that was available. I've never been to a convention before that didn't have alternate programming. A fan panel, some rare movie with one of the stars, movie previews, SOMETHING. But no, everyone who didn't have one of the elite tickets was treated like a third class attendee.

And yeah, it's great to see the cast & Joss, but I've been to (*counts*) I think eight different cons or events in the last couple years that had anywhere from two to all the members of the cast, and never paid more than $50 before this, and that includes autographs. $240 when half of the time you're just watching DVDs you already have on a small screen from your assigned seat in the back of the room? Not something I'm jumping up and down at the chance to do again. Sorry. And that's with the Burbank hotel right in my backyard, or at least close enough that I could walk there from home.
Deanna b...I'm sorry you didn't have a good time at the Flan. I had a blast. Best Con weekend ever for me. (I've been to 7 Cons in 2 yrs) I had only a Weekend Pass. I also worked as Morena's PA that weekend. Even though I was a PA, I too had to purchase any extra items that were not inclued in my Weekend Pass. But I knew this and did not have a problem with any downtimes that came up. Weekend Pass holders had the opportunity to purchase tickets to the Cocktail &/or Banquet too if they wanted to (before they sold out). For the Special Luncheon on Sunday, those tickets were auctioned off on ebay, with profits going to Charity.

There is always downtime at any Con, I don't feel that it's the Con's job to provide entertainment for me when I chose not to attend something. I did not buy a ticket to the Banquet. I was able to grab some supper, which btw I ate while watching a Firefly episode in the screening room. The Screening Room was set up only in the evenings for those who wanted to watch Firefly DVD's. They were shown on a large projection screen with NO assigned seating. These were optional viewings. Alot of people usually go back to their rooms to party or visit with friends during the downtimes. There's always the bar or lobby to hang out in and visit with other con attendees too.

BE always welcomes your comments and suggestions, please feel free to contact Denise or Vicki at www.boosterevents.com
I also worked as Morena's PA that weekend.

Huh. Well, I'm not trying to be glib or anything, but if I'd been Morena's personal assistant, I think I would've had a pretty good time myself. So the solution is simple then I guess. Everybody will just have to become the actors' personal assistants and a good time will be had by all...;-)

(Hmm, giving Morena foot rubs.)
I got my weekend pass! Flanvention II will not be the same as the first one, but I'm hoping it'll still be exceptionally shiny and will have the support and attendance of our Big Damn Heroes. :) There are a lot of fans - new and old - who haven't had the opportunity to meet them, yet.
Why does any thread about boosterevents stuff always sound like an infomercial?
> Deanna b...I'm sorry you didn't have a good time at the Flan. I had
> a blast. Best Con weekend ever for me. (I've been to 7 Cons in 2 yrs)

I've go to an average of eight cons every year for the past 20+ years. That makes around 160 cons. Nearly half of those are ones that I've worked committee or staff, so I've seen how cons are supposed to work. This was one of the worst run cons I've ever seen. This was also twice as much as I've ever spent for any of those 160 cons. What sort of crappy cons have you been to, anyway?

> I had only a Weekend Pass. I also worked as Morena's PA that weekend.
> Even though I was a PA, I too had to purchase any extra items that
> were not inclued in my Weekend Pass. But I knew this and did not
> have a problem with any downtimes that came up. Weekend Pass
> holders had the opportunity to purchase tickets to the Cocktail &/or
> Banquet too if they wanted to (before they sold out). For the Special
> Luncheon on Sunday, those tickets were auctioned off on ebay, with
> profits going to Charity.

So, if you don't want to just be dumped at random times during the day, if you want to actually have a good time, you need to fork out hundreds of more dollars? Downtimes do not happen at any REAL convention, no matter how much you spent to be there.

> There is always downtime at any Con

NO!!!! That is 100% FALSE! I've worked with convention programming, and that's always the #1 priority! NO DOWNTIMES!!

> I don't feel that it's the Con's job to provide entertainment for me
> when I chose not to attend something.

Then why the hell is anyone there??? What was that $240 supposed to be for?? Staring at wallpaper??

Look, check out the average convention that used to always be in that hotel. The past two years it's been at the LAX Mariott instead, but for around 12 years Loscon was always in the Burbank Hilton, the same hotel as the Flanvention, at around the same time of year (Thanksgiving weekend)

http://loscon.org/

Notice that for an ENTIRE weekend, it's $30 in advance, $45 at the door (current prices). That's for the WHOLE weekend, no need to pay for extras.

Here's the list of programming the last year it was at the Burbank Hilton, two years ago. You can check out the other years as well.

http://loscon.org/30/panels.html

And on top of that, there's a 24-hour anime room, a 24-hour gaming room, free snacks and candy in the comfy Con Suite (and often free oatmeal in the morning and stew at night), free coffee and canned sodas (name brands! cold!), free ice cream, free autographs, free semi-professional cabaret (though I think they didn't have one that year), and everything else it shows in the links on the right column. ALL of that could have been added to Flanvention for only around $40 more per person!

(No, this isn't a paid plug for them, I'm just using them as an example)

Lots of other conventions used to be held there as well. Gallifrey (Dr. Who convention), Agamemcon (Babylon 5 convention), Phil & Ed's (general SF media), and a bunch of others that I've been to. Lots of conventions around the same size (500 persons) as Flanvention. None with so little to do. Not even close. Lots of stars. And nobody ever spent over $50 dollars to attend any one of those.

> Alot of people usually go back to their rooms to party or visit with
> friends during the downtimes.

Yeah, I suppose I could have gone back HOME for a few hours. What, I was supposed to rent a hotel room three miles from my house? And I went there alone, and the only people I knew there were a couple who had the Big Shiny Pass, so I barely saw them.

> There's always the bar or lobby to hang out in and visit with other
> con attendees too.

Yes, I pay money to hang around in the bar or lobby of the local Hilton that I can do anytime for free. And during times like waiting for the autographs, every chair or sofa anywhere near the lobby was full anyway.

Maybe that's the way cons are (badly) run elsewhere, but that's just not the way conventions are usually run in Southern California.
So. It sounds like Flanvention could benefit from input and staffing from folks who've run and/or been involved with other conventions.

So. Get involved. Make it better.
In fairness, if you look at something like Starfury's Serenity conventions, there's plenty of downtime there as well. If you choose not to go to a panel, you make your own fun.
Yes, but Starfury's events are also rather less expensive.
True. Well, I presume, I've never added it up.
To be fair, in general Whedonverse (Buffyverse, Angelverse & Serenityverse) cons tend to be run less efficiently than other conventions. We really do deserve better cons in general. I guess the first Buffy con was run by people who didn't really know what they were doing, and that was copied by other Buffy cons, and those were copied by Serenity cons. There are organizations (especially in L.A., Boston, and many other big cities) who have fans who have been putting on conventions since the 1940s, and so all the tricks to putting on a good convention that they've learned in the last sixty years are passed down to the new fans, and swapped with fans in other cities. So you'll find that a comparitively small media con like Gallifrey (around 600 people, I think) and any of the huge Worldcons are run basically the same, just on different scales. None of these tricks seem to be used by any of the Jossverse conventions. Instead of copying each other, they'd be wise to copy other fandoms' conventions (and I don't mean Creation cons either).
I went to the first Flanvention and I had the best time ever. Yes, I did shell out the cash for the Big Damn Pass and it was well worth it, in my opinion. More than. I did go to the cocktail party and the banquet, but I didn't go to the luncheon. I also didn't go to the karaoke dance. Instead, I chose to hang out with my friends and do something else for awhile.

As far as being treated like third class citizens, I didn't hear any complaints of that nature from the people I knew that had only purchased the weekend passes. They seemed to be having as good of a time as the rest of us.

I'm sorry you didn't have a good time, deanna. I know that the promoters of Flanvention are always open to suggestions as to what people want. Perhaps, if you have not already done so, you could make some suggestions to them as to how they could do better, especially for those that don't buy everything.
I went to the first one, and it wasn't worth it. The dealers' room was great, but you didn't need to be registered to go into there, and the panels were great, but... eh. Between panels, when everyone who had the Big Shiny (or whatever they were called) passes went to whatever brunch or cocktail party or whatnot, everything stopped for all of the "cheap" ($240 is cheap???) ticket holders, and the only thing provided for us to do while that was going on was to go into a room and watch Firefly episodes that we all already have on a small TV, and sometimes not even that was available. I've never been to a convention before that didn't have alternate programming. A fan panel, some rare movie with one of the stars, movie previews, SOMETHING. But no, everyone who didn't have one of the elite tickets was treated like a third class attendee.

Wow, bitter much. Sorry you had such a lousy time the only thing I can say is suggest some improvements to the promoters this is only their 2nd con, and so they still have somethingís to learn.

As for alternate programming, they would love to offer some, if they could find someone willing to do it, itís not as easy as it sound the verse fandom is not known for attending panels that donít include a guest. However, they did show more than Firefly episodes. Not many people want to volunteer to run fan panels. Perhaps you should suggest that maybe they will luck out and find some people willing to do it.

Also Ouch I donít think it was there intention to make you feel that way, like I said it is learning and growing process. Especially when all you were ever exposed to is Verse specific conventions $240 is pretty avg in the US especially for a line-up of 17 guest.

And yeah, it's great to see the cast & Joss, but I've been to (*counts*) I think eight different cons or events in the last couple years that had anywhere from two to all the members of the cast, and never paid more than $50 before this, and that includes autographs. $240 when half of the time you're just watching DVDs you already have on a small screen from your assigned seat in the back of the room? Not something I'm jumping up and down at the chance to do again. Sorry. And that's with the Burbank hotel right in my backyard, or at least close enough that I could walk there from home.

Let me guess were they conventions of more than 500 attendees or did those events with the full cast have more attendees, like in the 1,000ís. Might explain why the cost is so cheap and actually you didnít have to set in your assign seats when the main programming wasnít in the hall, it was open seating then, obviously you were not aware of this fact.

I've go to an average of eight cons every year for the past 20+ years. That makes around 160 cons. Nearly half of those are ones that I've worked committee or staff, so I've seen how cons are supposed to work. This was one of the worst run cons I've ever seen. This was also twice as much as I've ever spent for any of those 160 cons. What sort of crappy cons have you been to, anyway?

She has been to mostly verse only cons. I on the other hand have been to over 190 cons in almost 20 years. I have been asked to work for many, not until this year did I ever take someone upon it. I have a unique position Ė I have seen cons work from the promoterís side as well as a fan. All you have to do is observe a couple cons and get to know the promoters to know how these things work. If you see how cons are suppose to work than you should know that no con is ever alike or the same and they are constantly influx, they learn and grow from each experience. Hopefully it will be for the better, but not always. Actually for verse specific con in the US the Flan is about average in price structure, and with the resent decline in verse only cons, it nice to see at least someone trying to keep it alive.

And seeing how you have run so many cons you understand the cost of running them, and associated with them and doing some minor inquiring Iím sure you know that some guest in this verse are not cheap and other members in this verse have other requirements before they will agree to the con. Itís not like some older fandoms where the guest has been attending cons for years. Now a days itís all about the coin, I use to remember going to cons with only a few guest and they would not hesitate to get there photo taken with you if you ask, now they are asking for $10 (cheap) a pic with your camera. So as they say times they are a changing for some.

So, if you don't want to just be dumped at random times during the day, if you want to actually have a good time, you need to fork out hundreds of more dollars? Downtimes do not happen at any REAL convention, no matter how much you spent to be there.

> There is always downtime at any Con

NO!!!! That is 100% FALSE! I've worked with convention programming, and that's always the #1 priority! NO DOWNTIMES!!


Well thatís a matter of perception, donít you think. If a con offers 1,000 activities but none interest you, you will have downtime. So what you are saying is false and as a person who has stated that you are a former promoter and staffer, you should know that not everyone would take you up on all you offer. You can only hope the majority of people will have a positive experience and come back to the next event.


>I don't feel that it's the Con's job to provide entertainment for me
> when I chose not to attend something.

Then why the hell is anyone there??? What was that $240 supposed to be for?? Staring at wallpaper??


If thatís your prerogative sure, stare away. Did you not attend any of the guest Q&Aís? Were they not entertaining? What about the commentary? Did you visit the signing room to chat with the signing guest? They love to talk and have fun in there and they donít force you to buy anything and if given the chance you could have had a pretty full weekend.

Look, check out the average convention that used to always be in that hotel. The past two years it's been at the LAX Mariott instead, but for around 12 years Loscon was always in the Burbank Hilton, the same hotel as the Flanvention, at around the same time of year (Thanksgiving weekend)

Notice that for an ENTIRE weekend, it's $30 in advance, $45 at the door (current prices). That's for the WHOLE weekend, no need to pay for extras.

And on top of that, there's a 24-hour anime room, a 24-hour gaming room, free snacks and candy in the comfy Con Suite (and often free oatmeal in the morning and stew at night), free coffee and canned sodas (name brands! cold!), free ice cream, free autographs, free semi-professional cabaret (though I think they didn't have one that year), and everything else it shows in the links on the right column. ALL of that could have been added to Flanvention for only around $40 more per person!

(No, this isn't a paid plug for them, I'm just using them as an example)

Lots of other conventions used to be held there as well. Gallifrey (Dr. Who convention), Agamemcon (Babylon 5 convention), Phil & Ed's (general SF media), and a bunch of others that I've been to. Lots of conventions around the same size (500 persons) as Flanvention. None with so little to do. Not even close. Lots of stars. And nobody ever spent over $50 dollars to attend any one of those.


Well letís see, I have been to those types of cons and yeah they are kinda fun at times and they have lots of things and usually lots of people as well. There are a few like Gallifry that have about 600, but they also have been around a long time, as have most of the guests. If you talk to a lot of promoters that have been doing it for yearís even decades they will tell you the verse came out of the gate as a different beast. The guest (mainly actors) prices skyrocketed and in the early days promoters paid because there would be a fairly heavy turnout for them. However over the years, the number of attendees decreased but funny enough the cost of guest, have not, in some cases they have gone up. I have my ideas about the reasoning behind this, which I wont go into here cause this post is already long enough without it but suffice it to say that is why some promoters have dropped the verse cons and guest altogether. Those who do bring them in are either the big guns with 1,000ís of attendees, with a few smaller ones trying to keep up the interest in the verse and guest but at a price. So itís a matter of perspective and comparison, acting the promoter wont change the fact that the guests still require payment for their appearance. If that starts dropping, I can tell you that the event prices will as well.

Yeah, I suppose I could have gone back HOME for a few hours. What, I was supposed to rent a hotel room three miles from my house? And I went there alone, and the only people I knew there were a couple who had the Big Shiny Pass, so I barely saw them.

Well then mingle if you donít want to go home, then like I said before the signing room is typically full of fun and interesting people to talk to as well as a chance to talk to other fans there in attendance.


Yes, I pay money to hang around in the bar or lobby of the local Hilton that I can do anytime for free. And during times like waiting for the autographs, every chair or sofa anywhere near the lobby was full anyway.

Maybe that's the way cons are (badly) run elsewhere, but that's just not the way conventions are usually run in Southern California.


Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that is the way of most whedonverse only cons, of which there are less and less each year. So perhaps you would feel more comfortable in the other fandomís you mentioned. Cause this verse has always been anything but typical compared to the other fandoms.

I would go on but why bother, in the end itís all a matter of perception, you will either have a good time or you wont, ultimately that decision is yours, if you see problems with an event let them know what would get you back to their event at a future time or what you think will help keep others more entertained than you were. I have always offered advise after attending cons cause I realized early on it was the only way to improve them. Sometimes the promoters listened and sometimes they didnít and yeah some cons made me so upset at their organizational skills that I just wanted to thrash the promoter around by their ears yelling ďDonít you get it. Your con Sucks.Ē And I can tell you that compared to some conventions, Booster is doing a hell of a job coming out of the gate with only 2 cons under their belt, and no prior experience running these types of events. Are they perfect, hell no, by no means, no con is perfect and there will always be those who will not have a good expierence, but if you come out the other end with all of your faculties intact and your hide still on, your ahead of the game. If your expierence sucked so bad that you were praying for a natural disaster, then chalk the experience up to well an experience and move on. If you had a flanstastic ride and want to do it over again, then go for it. Which every con, you will always have the good, the bad, and the OMG what in the hell was that experience. And you know what at the end of the day everything will be as everything will be and men of the world cannot be arranged in rows. Thatís what makes us special. Ok Iím done now; wow I know Iím jumping the shark when Iím spouting lines of poetry.
quote roadrunner:Yes, but Starfury's events are also rather less expensive.

Really, is it less exspensive when you look at the line-ups at the next event Starfury itís $150 USD for 7 guests. The Flan was $240 USD for 17 guest Ė 9 of them were headliners (not counting Joss, Tim, or Andy). I guess you are right it does cost less but you also have to factor in less number of guest as well will always make an event cheaper.
It sounds like we're comparing apples to oranges. The only conventions I've seen that are inexpensive (by which I mean < $100) are either the larger coventions with thousands upon thousands of people in attendence (and even then you pay extra for autos or a special pass for a particular headliner) or they're small events with only a few guests (usually supporting cast or lesser known guests).

Granted, I've only been to three conventions that were totally non-whedonverse. One was a Dr. Who convention about 2 decades ago - the only thing I remember is the dealer room because I tried to convince my dad to get me a K-9. Another was Dragon*Con in Altanta while I was living there back in the early 90's 'cause the guy I was dating at the time was working the event. I remember seeing a few faces I recognized and lots of people dressed in wacky costumes, but it was chaotic and I didn't really get to talk to the guests. The other was a Star Trek convention about 6 years ago which had only one headliner, John de Lancie (Q - from TNG) and a few lesser knowns. It was about $50 for two days, but there was plenty of down-time and very little interaction with the guests.

I missed Flan, but at the Angel Booster Bash I had a weekend pass and it was a blast. I got to mingle with the guests alot and there was plenty to do. When others were at a special fuction such as the dinner banquet, I used that time to grab something to eat myself. I remember the Halloween Con with JM & DB it was hard to find time to get some food, so I was happy that ABB had breaks at lunch and dinner so that there was amble time to have a proper meal.

In my experience, while the 'verse cons are more expensive, I've gotten more enjoyment out of them and therefore feel they're worth the extra money.
As a co-owner of Boosters, I'm always happy to receive feedback and suggestions. In fairness, I'd like to point out there were three extra events over the course of the weekend; 7-9 on Friday, 7-9 on Saturday and 12-1:30 on Sunday. All other events were open to everyone. All extra events were preceded by and followed by open events.

My apologies, in advance, if it was inappropriate to post this here. If so, I'll consider it delete-bait. :-)
Sorry SoddingNancyTribe, it wasn't meant to be a plug. I live in Canada and have nothing to do with the event.

It was meant to let people know that tickets had gone on sale and the Big Damn Passes were gone. As people on my Cdn Browncoat web site were interested and asking questions, I figured others would want to know as well.

I've been to 17 conventions in various countries in the last 4 years. I find the Weekend Pass price of $229 to be very average compared to the others I have been to with assigned seating and autographs by the headliners included. I went to Flanvention in Dec. 2005 and had a great time. It found it to be a very stress free experience, which is why I am going back.

I've been to cheaper cons that charge only $65 at the door but by the time you add on all the autographs you want at $25 to $40 per actor, you end up paying the same price or more and you never have the luxury of an assigned seat at that price.
I just wanted to chime in here. I have been con going for about 15 years now, and I honestly think that Flan was the most enjoyable con experience I have ever had. It was small enough that you could talk to the guests and have a personal experience with them that is impossible to get at bigger cons.

Flanvention was definitely quality over quantity.

I do agree that on Sunday, when the autographs were being signed, that there should have been some alternate programming, because there were hundreds of people milling about with no place to go, but to me, that was really the only glitch of the weekend.

I already bought my tickets to go again.
I have been to conventions in the past and I have to say that the recent Flanvention in Burbank was actually the most organized one I have been to. I had a very nice low key weekend, didn't have to rush between events, and didn't have to choose between events either. Staff were all around if you had a question and they were all helpful and very nice. Never had that happen before.

Too bad I missed out on buying tickets for Flan II. I would have purchased a BDP if I knew they were on sale, because the price was definitely with the perks. I'm kinda bummed about it.
hazyone101, not a problem. The link wording was just a tad infomercial-like, to quote another member.

It's fine for members to post yay! or nay! comments about specific conventions, etc., in the thread - so long as they are reasonable and civil, but I think the links themselves should be presented in as non-partisan a way as possible when it comes to announcing ticketed events. It is definitely news that folks want to hear, but it isn't the role of Whedonesque to push certain events over others (and not saying you did that ho101).
So, ignore my earlier comment. I just made my first payment for a Weekend Pass.
Huh. Well, I'm not trying to be glib or anything, but if I'd been Morena's personal assistant, I think I would've had a pretty good time myself. So the solution is simple then I guess. Everybody will just have to become the actors' personal assistants and a good time will be had by all...;-)


EdDantes....believe me, being Morena's PA did not gain me any perks. LOL.

We (PA's) really had very little interaction with the headline stars that weekend. Security escorted them to & from events, therefore making our jobs very much in the background.

What little time I did spend with Morena was very pleasant. But I was there to assist her, not to be her friend. (Ed no disrespect to you intended with this comment, just my personal "take" on the job of PA)

She was very sweet in person and it was fun to see her interact with each & every fan as they passed thru the autograph line. A very classy lady.

So, in a nutshell, being a PA did not make my weekend any more enjoyable than if I had just been a regular con attendee. At BE cons, they try to make the Green Room a place of peace & relaxation for the stars. NO staff members were allowed to "schmooze" with the stars behind the scenes. So being a PA did not give us an automatic "in" with any of the stars.
Turtle, they still have Weekend Passes available and you can add on cocktail tickets, banquet tickets and such when they become available. *hopes she doesn't sound like an infomercial* ;)
Hi deanna b,
I am curious about these $50 conventions that also include free autographs. My friends and I all attend a lot of cons all over the world. I've been to 17 myself in the last 4 years but weíve never come across a con that also includes free autos at such a low cost. I would be interested if the actors were of equal caliber to that of Serenity or are currently poplular. Could you point us in the direction of these cons? Thanks so much.

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