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January 13 2006

IMDB puts Serenity at $4.29 million in rentals so far. Listed at number 31. Don't know the accuracy on this, but combined with sales, that's close to another 20 mil, right?

Rentals figures are publicly released - retail (DVD sales) are not. I don't know where the $20m thing you mention comes from.
Well says that one million DVDs have been sold at an average retail price of $20 to $25 then perhaps 20 million dollars has been made just from that. Course I have no idea how of a cut Universal takes from that. 50% 60%?
They take between about $10-15 I believe, Simon. From what I know, Serenity has sold about enough to have made back it's production budget now (including factoring in the theatres take). From now on it just needs to cover domestic and international marketing, distribution and translation.

By the way, Universal get a cut from every Visual Companion and novelisation sold, which I hadn't realised.
They do? I just assumed they get money from selling the licensing rights. Never occurred to me they'd get a cut.
Yeah, krad confirmed they get a cut on the Browncoat site thou-shall-not-name.
From what I know, Serenity has sold about enough to have made back it's production budget now


That's very shiny news! Breaking even is definitely important if we want to persuade 'Versal that funding a sequel is worthwhile to them.

Also, I heard that the books have been selling well (novelization going in for second printing on release).

Hmm... here's my overly optimistic thoughts on how our story could continue: obviously Universal makes all their money back, and starts to profit on DVDs and merchandising. Joss does Wonder Woman, which has more of an audience than just the Whedon-verse fanbase, and will hopefully do moderately well. Then Goners, which will appeal to horror film-goers. And after those Whedon will have a good deal of directorial sway in Hollywood, hopefully enough to get us our big damn sequels.

Ok, I know Gossi is going to shoot down that theory.. but hey, we've done the impossible once already haven't we?
I wouldn't shoot that theory down at the moment. Honestly, I don't think any of us know what the future holds. For example, if a movie Nathan was in hit hard, it'd alter the landscape a lot.

I think Serenity will turn a profit within a few years. Of course, movie studios don't make make franchise movies to eventually make money. So, in terms of a big franchise now... not so much. But revisit it in a few years after Goners and WW, and we'll see where we stand. The gap between Firefly and Serenity was 3 years.
By the way, Universal get a cut from every Visual Companion and novelisation sold, which I hadn't realised.


True that, gossi.
The Visual Companion, RPG, novelizations, action figures, trading cards...even the t-shirts being sold at Hot Topic are licensed from Universal.
Rest assured, they're gettin' paid.
: )
Oh! And the weasles at Fox are getting paid when a Firefly DVD set gets bought. Pity that. I hates to see Rupert Murdoch get any coin from a show his network ran into the ground and killed.
Since the characters and stuff from Firefly are owned by Fox, Universal had to pay to be able to do Serenity.
Anyone have any insider-type idea as to how much Uni would have had to pay Fox?
And one other thing: Big Mama's House 2? Does that seem right to you?

Oops, gotta go. Watching "Batman Begins" with my morning coffee, and here comes Christian Bale without a shirt on.
Ohhh yeaaah...gooood coffee...
; )

[ edited by AmazonGirl on 2006-01-13 15:47 ]
Video Business has Serenity at #23 with 8.05 million in revenue to date. They also have Serenity listed at #14 for top DVD sellers. Both of these figures are for the week ending January 8th.
The problem is Video Buisness and IMDB always have such different numbers. When IMDBpro showed it at #25 in rentals, VB showed it at #12. Thats a pretty big gap. Anyway, i think we will get a TV movie at least because of the DVD sales. Smaller budget, plus they can still sell another DVD. I am hoping for a SciFi mini series however.
Video Business is owned by Reed Business Information, which is the same company that produces the entertainment industry trade magazine Variety and uses a provider called Rentrak for their rental figures. The Hollywood Reporter gets its sales data from Nielsen Videoscans First Alert. In my opinion, those sources are more reliable than IMDB and its third party sources.
My loathing for Murdoch is great too, AmazonGirl, but it's worth pointing out that he also owns 20th Century Fox which actually filmed all the Joss shows we love. Even Satan has his good side, it seems.
Video Business is owned by Reed Business Information, which is the same company that produces the entertainment industry trade magazine Variety and uses a provider called Rentrak for their rental figures. The Hollywood Reporter gets its sales data from Nielsen Videoscans First Alert. In my opinion, those sources are more reliable than IMDB and its third party sources.
killinj


Oh by no means was I questioning what you typed, it's just frustrating to not get a straight answer among entertainment reports, you know?

(Edited to remove boldface)

[ edited by SoddingNancyTribe on 2006-01-13 21:17 ]
I didn't think you were questioning what I typed. I was just offering an opinion of which numbers to concentrate on.
Either way, its all guesstimation. To my knowledge in terms of how these rankings are done, they are based on sampling of possible sellers, and since they do not have access to all of the DVD sales and rental information, I would imagine they make an estimate, and probably hae different sources, and different ways of producing estimates. It doesn't matter, as long as Serenity continues to sell steady. Oh and I just want to mention that
Videobusiness has firefly at #5 for top selling tv DVD's.
I trust Variety and Nielsen about as far as I can spit, and I'm not a very good spitter.
I feel the same way about IMDB. Coincidently, the figures from the sources I consider more reliable (none of these figures are completely accurate) give Serenity higher rankings.
I've been on the blockbuster rental queue for Serenity for like a month now!
They need to put more copies into circulation :-(
I trust Variety and Nielsen about as far as I can spit...

I definitely trust Variety. (And the Hollywood Reporter.) It's been THE trade paper for the entertainment industry since before there was dirt.
When I worked in TV production, it was the daily read for all sorts of info regarding the industry.
Wish I could afford a subscription.
The Nielsens? Not so much. It's samplings and demographics.
IMDB? Good for getting some info, but I don't find it that reliable.
I thought the gap between SERENITY and FIREFLY was 9 months, not three years.
Oh! You meant from end of the airing of the last FIREFLY episode to the release of SERENITY. *Smacks head*

[ edited by batmarlowe on 2006-01-16 20:22 ]

[ edited by batmarlowe on 2006-01-16 20:23 ]

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