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February 05 2006

New Justice League Unlimited episodes bring lots of ME alum voices. Cartoon Network will start airing new episodes in the US in February 11th, 2006.

[ edited by Numfar PTB on 2006-02-20 02:19 ]

Some of these new episodes has already been aired in the UK.
This is the rundown of the guests that was featured or will be featured in Justice League Unlimited and their roles (Updated with Daniel Dae Kim's sorta huge role):
Gina Torres as Vixen
Amy Acker as Huntress
Morena Baccarin as Black Canary
Nathan Fillion as Vigilante
Adam Baldwin as Bonk / Jonah Hex / Hal Jordan (uncred.)
Armin Shimerman as Dr. Milo
Juliet Landau as Tala / Plastique
Giselle Loren as Stargirl
Daniel Dae Kim as Metron
Alexis Denisof as Mirror Master

New Episodes are as follow:

Episode #31 - Flash and Substance
Original Airdate - February 11th, 2006
Batman and Orion see a different side of the Flash when a rogues’ gallery of villains attacks the museum that is opening in his honor. Already aired in the UK.
Features Alexis Denisof as Mirror Master.

Episode #32 - Dead Reckoning
Original Airdate - February 18th, 2006
The ghost of a circus performer convinces Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman to help him retrieve the stolen souls of a mystic order of Monks. Already aired in the UK.
Features Juliet Landau as Tala.

Episode #33 - Patriot Act
Original Airdate - February 25th, 2006
When an out of control super soldier threatens Metropolis, Green Arrow leads seven non-powered Justice Leaguers, including Crimson Avenger and Shining Knight, in a battle they can’t hope to win. Already aired in the UK.
Features Nathan Fillion as Vigilante and Gisele Loren as Stargirl.

Episode #34 - The Great Brain Robbery
Original Airdate - March 4th, 2006
A mystical accident leads to Lex Luthor and the Flash’s minds being swapped into each other’s bodies. Already aired in the UK.
Features Juliet Landau as Tala.

Episode #35 - Grudge Match
Original Airdate - March 11th, 2006
Roulette starts Metabrawl (“Cat and Canary”) again, this time with an all-female fight card made up of Justice Leaguers. Already aired in the UK.
Features Juliet Landau as Tala, Morena Baccarin as Black Canary, Amy Acker as Huntress and Gina Torres as Vixen.

Episode #36 - Far From Home
Original Airdate - March 18th, 2006
Supergirl, Green Lantern and Green Arrow travel into the future where they meet the Legion of Super Heroes and their enemies The Fatal Five. Already aired in the UK.

Episode #37 - Ancient History
Original Airdate - March 25th, 2006
The Shadow Thief returns and so does Hawkman as more mysteries from “Shadow of the Hawk” are explored. Already aired in the UK.
Features Gina Torres as Vixen.

Episode #38 - Alive (Part 1)
Original Airdate - April 1st, 2006
In a knock-down drag out battle on Earth and in space, the power moving behind the scenes of the villains is revealed leading to the most unexpected team-up in Justice League history. Already aired in the UK.
Features Juliet Landau as Tala and Daniel Dae Kim as Metron.

Episode #39 - Destroyer (Part 2)
Original Airdate - April 8th, 2006 - Series Finale
In a knock-down drag out battle on Earth and in space, the power moving behind the scenes of the villains is revealed leading to the most unexpected team-up in Justice League history.
Features Daniel Dae Kim as Metron.

Whoa! Numfar PTB, I was about to ask you the point of this post, but then I saw your full post. Thank you very much :)
Wow! It sounds more like the line-up for Flanvention than JLU! Thanks for the link! ;-)
Bruce Timm (the creator of the huge DC Animated Universe series of shows) is a huge Whedon fan. I've seen the new JLU episodes (England) and Grudge Match especially was an out of control Whedonfest that made me fanspasm like a little girl in a boy band's bed.

It's a damn shame this is the last season - there's really nothing like this on TV. It's as well written and acted as the best liveaction shows, and I'm going to miss it as much as I miss Angel.
Grudge Match looks especially Whedonverse-heavy. As a fan of the voice actors and the kick-ass cartoon, I say w00t!

But last season's Double Date with Morena and Amy was wonderful, as was the one where Nathan's Vigilante was driving a spaceship with Gina's Vixen riding shotgun. It's little things like that make inner fangirls squee. :)
Flash & Substance was a great episode, I didn't realise that Denisof was Mirror Master. I completely geeked out over Mr Hamill's Trickster performance though.

Dead Reckoning wasn't bad. The best bit was Supermans posession.

Superman: "The thickshakes are so thick that I NEED YOUR HELP."
Diana: "That's pretty thick."

...

Superman: "That you'll need to eat them with a spoon WHY AM I IN AFRICA."


Patriot Act, though, was great. A real showcase for the non-powred JLA members. I loved Speedy and Ollie's banter.

Green Arrow: "Alright buddy you wanted the rest of the Justice League you got em. You've got... [deflated] The Crimson Avenger and my ex-sidekick."
Speedy: "Ex-Partner."
Green Arrow: "Speedy, we gotta do this now?"


I knew it was Fillion straight away.

Shame the shows been axed.
Not being much of a DC reader i've always been surprised by how much i enjoy their cartoon series. I used to be an avid viewer of both the Batman and Superman cartoons and so naturally i checked out the Justice League series once i knew it was being created by the same people. The stories are entertaining and you can't help but enjoy the iconic heroes and villains they use. The fact that much of the voice talent is so recognisable to us Whedonites is a bonus too.

When it comes to comics i will always be a Marvel fan but as far as transfering their heroes to the small screen i think DC come out on top.

Well, except for X-Men: Evolution! ;)
I was screaming like a little girl (though I'm not little, or a girl for instance) with Vigilante during Patriot Act. He was acting so captain-y, that I was saying out loud, that his actions was sometimes too much like Malcolm Reynolds.

The Grudge Match episode besides being Whedon-verse actress heavy, also features somewhat a certain character that Joss is working right now.
What made me laugh a bit in this episode (okay, this might be spoilery, so lets put some invisio text in it), .
Yeah, it's a shame this is finishing. Just watched 'Flash and Substance' and it was excellent, really funny and also, bizarrely, sort of touching (the bit in the bar with Mark Hamill's 'Trickster' was nicely done). I also didn't recognise AD's voice (probably too used to him with a British accent) and last year tho' I realised Nathan was 'Vigilante' straight away, I missed Amy Acker as 'Huntress' (after seeing her change so completely into Illyria i'm not surprised tho', lassie's a chameleon, especially vocally).

Seeing the episode makes me wonder tho', why oh why are they making Aquaman into a live action series when the Flash is just sitting there begging for one ?

I really liked the Batman show as well (haven't seen the Superman one) but I think in some ways his character is even better served in JLU (probably because they can afford to make him even more terse and stern since the other characters balance it out). Last season's 'Epilogue' may have been the best Batman cartoon i've seen. BTW, anyone who likes the JLU/Batman cartoons should check out the feature length animated movies especially 'Mask of the Phantasm'. Until 'Batman Begins' it was, IMO, the best Batman film by a long chalk.
I haven't seen Epilogue yet, but if anyone is interested in the Timm cartoons (JLU, Batman, Superman, Batman Beyond), you need to check out Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, the Uncut version.

Wow.

Anyway, they tried to a Flash TV series. I never saw it (too young), but by all accounts it was pretty tacky. Hamill played the Trickster in the live action series as well.

And surely you all know that he's the Joker on all Timm cartoons?
Haven't seen the uncut version but i've got the cut one on DVD. Is there much difference ? I didn't mind some of Batman Beyond tho' it was difficult to get used to a sort of Spideyish wise-cracking Batman. I remember a stand out ep. with Shriek (? not sure about the name) the sound engineer turned evil maniac where he tried to convince Bruce he was going mad.

I do remember the Flash TV show and, ironically, I may have been too old for it ;). Not too good from what I recall. The suit was a very over done muscle suit and the effects were what you'd expect from 1990/1. Done today tho', possibly in the Smallville mode but with less a Dawson's Creek (six degrees time, it was Dawson's dad that played the Flash) and more a JLU type of feel, it could be pretty good (I think the super-speed effects in Smallville are probably the only thing I couldn't criticise in the show, even tho' I keep watching just to see the flapping cape in the final episode if for no other reason, birth of a legend and all that ;).

Yep, Hamill is fantastic as the Joker tho' the real plaudits have to go to Kevin Conroy's Batman for consistent brilliance over all the Timm incarnations of the character.
Yeah, i remember that live action Flash series too. Standard sort of thing for the early ninties as far as effects go. Nothing to get excited about.

The Aquaman series is going to be a spinoff from Smallville, if i understand correctly, using the version of that character they introduced in season five. They introduced a version of the Flash in the previous season, although they used many elements of the junior "Flash" character, Impulse. Maybe too many from the little i saw of the episode. Wonder how long before we see somebody turning up in Smallville with a green ring on his finger? Or better yet a young rich businessman from Gotham City. I'd definately take the time to watch an episode introducing Batman to the Smallville mythology.
I just don't see how Aquaman is going to work. I mean he has to be in the water to have super powers, yes ? (pretty hard to swim really fast on land and talking to fish ? Also not that handy). So surely when he's on land, apart from drinking a lot, he's just kind of normal possibly aside from being essentially undrownable ? I see it becoming even more teen soap-like than Smallville. In fairness tho', i'm not a fan of the character so maybe i'm just missing the appeal.

The Smallville Flash episode was a bit average. Nice to see Flash zip away into another gear at the end (after all he is 'the fastest man alive' ;) and the fanboy nod to the JLA was cool. Apart from that and the effects, meh.

Apparently, pre 'Batman Begins' they wanted to bring a young Bruce in as a guest player (maybe Clark could've met up with him on a trip to Metropolis) tho' they have a no costumes policy on Smallville so I think Batman (as opposed to Bruce Wayne) could only have appeared obliquely. Now the consensus seems to be it would be playing with the continuity too much and may muddy Nolan et al's waters. Pity, it could've been good (tho' part of me is relieved that my favourite comics character won't be subjected to the unpredictably dodgy standard of quality that Smallville has made its own).
Aquaman isn't going to be a Smallville spinoff.
Are you sure about that, cowmuf? If so then i wonder why they changed the plans? I remember reading way back when the Aquaman series was first proposed that it would spin out of Smallville (probably because the show, at the time, looked to be on it's last legs) and that the character would make his first appearance alongside Clark Kent. When the Aquaman episode happened i naturally assumed that everything was going ahead as suggested.

I do know that they decided to recast the main role but i figured that the basic spinoff premise remained the same. I guess i could be wrong though. I don't follow the goings on of DC in the same way i do Marvel's properties and it wouldn't be the first time that the concept of a show changed from the original proposal.

Need i mention Mutant X? ;)
I do remember the Flash TV show and, ironically, I may have been too old for it ;). Not too good from what I recall. The suit was a very over done muscle suit and the effects were what you'd expect from 1990/1.

Awww, I have very fond memories of the Flash. I remember that being a "water cooler" show at the time, with a few of my co-workers being just as into it as I was. I even had a Flash shirt!
This site has info on the show. It's definitely a spin-off from Smallville (with the same executive producers) tho' it has been recast. After the WB/UPN merger news it's a bit uncertain if it'll go ahead but they seem to still be working on it (filming is meant to start in about a month according to the link). I'd be surprised if it makes it past the pilot. Apart from the bikini angle (not to be underestimated - see the Alba ouvre as evidence) I can't see Aquaman having the same broad appeal as Big Blue (even without the cape).

VWag, Please don't ;). When I first saw it I actually thought Mutant X was a parody. It's like someone set out to make a bad TV show (and, in fairness, succeeded admirably ;).

ETA: Mal's Gal, Well, I enjoyed 'The A Team', 'Knightrider' and even (heaven help me) 'Streethawk' but good shows ? Not so much ;). Think 'The Flash' just pressed too many buttons on my hoke-ometer. But to paraphrase 'Let he who hasn't sat through a season of Manimal cast the first stone'. I'm stepping away from the stones now ;).

[ edited by Saje on 2006-02-05 19:34 ]
Thanks, Saje. I had a feeling that i was right on the spinoff thing. I've read a fair amount on the development of the series and it always made it clear they intended it to be set in the same fictional reality as Smallville. As i said, plans could have changed but i think i'd have read something along those lines if that was the case.

As for Mutant X, the less said the better, lol! How they started with the concept of an X-Man (Havok) being cast from his own reality into a weird mirror universe type version of what he knew and ended up with the mess we saw the show become i will NEVER understand! :D
I'm pretty sure the Aquaman on SV is different then the Aquaman on the new series.

"On what will separate this Aquaman from the version of the character we saw on Smallville: "I think the character in that episode was a little further along in his development than we want to do on the series," Gough told CFQ."


TVGuide.com: Does Alan Ritchson feel gypped? Was there any unsaid agreement that, having guest-starred as Smallville's A.C., he'd get dibs on the series?
Gough: No, there wasn't, because at the time we did the episode, we had no plans for doing a series. We think Alan did a great job in that episode, but when you see the series, it's a different version of the character than what you saw on Smallville.



K-SITE: Will the Aquaman series take place in the Smallville universe? Is there any chance of a crossover?

GOUGH: Will we crossover? My guess is down the road, perhaps there will be some crossover. I don't think in the first season, but don't hold me to that, that could all change. I think you have to establish a show on its own terms before you could start to do that kind of stuff. It's not like a Buffy/Angel thing where you're spinning a character that you've lived with in one show into another show, so it feels obvious that you cross people over.

So its a spin off but yet..not a spin off.
I'm getting the impression that they maybe want to move the character back a year or two, at least to begin with. The comments about Aquaman being "a little further along in his development than we want to do on the series" suggests to me that they want to start the show at an earlier point to where we saw him in Smallville. That would also make sense of the fact that the new actor looks a little younger than Alan Ritchson.

I'd definately classify this as a spinoff in the sense of it being set in the same reality as Smallville (that is the only possible way that a crossover could happen afetr all) but not so much in the sense that Aquaman's story began in that show.
I really don't think this is meant to be a spin-off. I've read interviews where the producers said the Aquaman episode on Smallville was meant to be a tryout with the Aquaman character, but that the Aquaman TV show would involve a very different portrayal of the character. Maybe they'll crossover between Smallville and the new Aquaman series at some point, but if they do they'll be using a version of Aquaman different than the one they already established on the series.
That's my point. They have already established the character of Aquaman in Smallville so if they are going to crossover the two series then they will have to relate to the fact that Clark has already met him. There is no getting around that. The only other possibility is that they have now abandoned any thought of crossovers and decided to go with a totally different take on Aquaman to the one that showed up in Smallville.

The way i see it they will have to either go one way or the other. They can't establish the Aquaman in the new series as a totally different version of the character and then go ahead and crossover with Smallville anyway. It just wouldn't work. It would be like the Kristy Swanson version of Buffy making a guest appearance on Angel! ;)
Having actually read some of the page i'm ... confused ;). It seems that the series was greenlit after 'Aqua' did well (no idea why, personally I thought it was so-so at best) and that a lot of people (TV Guide included) are calling it a spin-off. However, the producers don't seem to see it as a spin-off even tho' it is set in the same universe and presumably after the Smallville episode (cross-overs would be pretty tough otherwise) because they've tweaked the character. If there are any x-overs will Clark be acting as if he doesn't know Arthur since this version is slightly different ? I doubt it. But if so then it's positively NOT a spin-off, otherwise it's murkier (especially if they even tangentially refer to events from 'Aqua').

I think it depends what you call a spin-off. Is it even possible to spin-off a pre-existing character ? Probably not, unless it's radically different to previous versions. On the other hand, the show would not be getting made at all if it wasn't for the Smallville episode so in that sense 'Aquaman' is at least an off-shoot of Smallville but apparently not a spin-off. And definitely not a spin-shoot. That'd just be silly.

ETA: Managed to repeat quite a lot of what Vampire With a Gun says. I'm starting to think they'll just go down the totally separate route and that the producer probably knew this even when interviewed but just didn't veto a cross-over to keep his options open and maybe partly as a sop to the fans. As VWag says I just don't see how else they can do it (Earth 1.5 ? ;).

[ edited by Saje on 2006-02-06 04:09 ]
Saje, the continuity/alternate reality mess that led to the original Crisis maxi series and the current Infinite Crisis event is exactly what has kept me from getting too involved in DC's comic books in the first place. Surely they can't get themselves into an alternate reality nightmare on television too! It's only two different series!!! :D
Nightmare ? Why, it should be considered a badge of honour. Any comics universe with less than 14 alternates ? Amateurs ;).

Personally, I hope they do cross-over Clark to Aquaman but he's subtly different which would allow them to spin-off 'Smallville Plus GT' from Aquaman. The Clark in SP:GT would have long hair and a day job playing in a Black Sabbath tribute band. Krypto would be back and do guest spots as a hip-hop DJ at weekends and eventually they'd produce a comic based on the series. In ten years they'd have to merge the continuties from the various comics which they'd do with a special 2000 page one shot (with 19 alternative covers) where the creators inform us that Black Sabbath never existed and that all dogs can talk anyway so they really don't understand what the fuss was about.

Just one fan's humble hope.
This show is awesome. When will we get proper DVD releases of it though? I hate these "best of" releases they are doing.

[ edited by war_machine on 2006-02-06 16:12 ]
Saje, i'd laugh except that what you suggested is well within the realms of possibility for DC! :D

And a world without Sabbath? You really are trying to freak me out now, my friend! Next you will be trying to tell me that there is a world without shrimp! ;)
war_machine: The first season of Justice League comes out on DVD on March 21st, along with the first season of Batman Beyond. It's about time, too.

Amazon link for those interested here.

[ edited by megaloo on 2006-02-06 15:45 ]
Megaloo you are my hero.
The way i see it they will have to either go one way or the other. They can't establish the Aquaman in the new series as a totally different version of the character and then go ahead and crossover with Smallville anyway. It just wouldn't work. It would be like the Kristy Swanson version of Buffy making a guest appearance on Angel! ;)

Logically, you would be right, except that the Smallville writers don't really care about keeping continuity. I once read an interview saying that the producers were abandoning the plotline of Level 33.1 (which was introduced in an episode last season), thus confirming that the producers don't care about finishing what they've already started on the show.
Hmmm, you may be correct. Not being a close follower of Smallville i'd find it hard to discuss any of the continuity of the show in great detail and certainly with no real accurate opinion.

Mind you, i'd say that there was a fair difference between the writers chosing to abandon a given plotline and intentionally writing an episode that absolutely contradicts the events seen before. I think even the Charmed writers would have issues with doing that, and that is saying something! ;)

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