Will Firefly fly again? (speculation).
Via Kristin at eonline.com
"A friend just saw Nate Fillion, Summer Glau and Gina Torres coming out of one of the exec buildings at Paramount where they are putting together the new CW unit.
Hmmmmm? Will Firefly fly again?"
February 08 2006
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crossoverman | February 08, 07:51 CET
But the question on everyone's(my) mind is:
Was there a Llama on site?
JustNick | February 08, 07:51 CET
SlayerTV | February 08, 07:51 CET
I don't know if my heart couldn't take the continual hoping for new stuff. Like the constant speculation about a possible Spike movie. I want more new Firefly soooo much more than Buffy 'verse stuff!
sigh.
nixygirl | February 08, 07:51 CET
Poke! Poke!
TamaraC | February 08, 08:05 CET
With all respect, I think there's a point at which fans stop being fans and start being annoyances, and when fans are documenting every coming and going, and speculating thereon, I think that could get pretty annoying.
YMMV and all good wishes.
cronopio | February 08, 08:14 CET
Angel the Next Incarrnation.
:)
RavenU | February 08, 08:17 CET
ChosenOne5376 | February 08, 08:20 CET
... who looks remarkably like Jasmine. I wonder if anyone'll notice. :)
NickSeng | February 08, 08:25 CET
Really glad there's no smell feature on computers yet.
Nebula1400 | February 08, 08:37 CET
crossoverman | February 08, 08:51 CET
nixygirl | February 08, 08:53 CET
Harmalicious | February 08, 09:24 CET
Invisible Green | February 08, 09:35 CET
Unfortunately, even if Kristin's friend did see them, all it really means is that they were in the building, and then left. Sigh.
RBB | February 08, 09:39 CET
Of course, but that's such a boring way of putting it, don't you think? ;)
The One True b!X | February 08, 09:41 CET
A Jossian "Flying Nun." Wow. That's almost as bizarre and enticing a concept as the Clem-centric "Sex and the City."
barboo | February 08, 10:02 CET
Let us pretend Dead or Alive was next in line, as is the apocryphal assumption of many a fan. Admittedly, after reading it, I think it would have undergone a couple retreads before seeing the cameras. Still. It's good work. That leaves three. One would be called Haven and would have dealt with Book leaving the crew to serve at Haven. I won't detail the plot here but there's quite a potential story in Book debating whether or not he could serve better for the people of Haven, and the conflict of Mal pushing him away. Next would be called simply Inara and would focus on our favorite space hooker confronting the others with her decision to leave, and how each would take that. Mix that in with the subplot about some 'job' and you got a good mix for a filler ep. Last would be Special Delivery which would be an amusing episode where the ship is hired by Mister Universe to pick up and deliver his soon-to-be wife. This would introduce Mr. Universe so it wouldn't be so hokey to have Mister Exposition just magically appear in the
movietwo hour finale.That takes care of season one. What would be the plot arc for season two? Quite intriguing. Each character has a direction set forth by the
movietwo hour finale of season one. Jayne is getting sick of being everyone's whipping boy. His desire for mutiny would increase, and failing that, he would contemplate leaving. Only realizing he had nowhere in particular to go. Simultaneously, the others on the crew would start to find he does belong with them, and that they've been taking him for granted. Why? Because of Zoe.We learned in Heart of Gold that Zoe and Wash were trying to have a child. Actually, Zoe was trying and Wash was reluctantly going along with it. In the first episode of season two, Zoe learns her period has been skipped. She talks with the doctor about it. Only they know, or so they think. Zoe would spend the next few episodes trying to hide it from everybody, until things like morning sickness and that she started to show would make that impossible. Of course, River knows before everyone else. Mal would probably find out at an inopportune time, where during one of their jobs something happened that made it plain Zoe was 'sick' and Mal would insist Simon do something to fix her. Eventually it'd come out and everyone on the ship would know. It's a small ship. Impossible to hide something like pregnancy from them for long. Would be VERY interesting though to watch Zoe try.
And that brings us to River. She replaces Wash as pilot, and with Kaylee's help they manage to pull more energy and capability out of the ship than one would imagine. Zoe would at first tolerate then later resent River's replacing Wash, and even moreso later when Zoe was out of commission that River would be replacing her. River can do things with Serenity that Wash could never do, making her more and more an integral part of Mal's plans for his ship's future. Maybe she even figures out how they can have some form of weaponry that doesn't show up on Alliance scans, but that wouldn't be till near the end of season two. Once Zoe is discovered as being with child, Mal would refuse to have her accompany him, and there'd be a lot of conflict there cuz Zoe's not the sort to just sit somewhere and eat pickles & ice cream. However, even she'd be forced at some point to admit that she can't fight like she used to, at least until her child is born. By about halfway through the season, Zoe's piloting Serenity when River's by Mal's side. There'd be some conflict there but eventually River would turn to Zoe, because while River has all this capability, she doesn't quite have the world weary experience that Zoe does. River would see Zoe as a mentor, and could learn things from Zoe that mere scientists couldn't put in River's head.
So Mal would start requesting River accompany him, along with Jayne. However River's unpredictable and takes his direction either too literally or not at all. She's a loose cannon, and while still haunted by other secrets and memories she's yet to conquer, she's also harboring a growing almost guiltful appreciation for her powers and abilities. In season one she held what they did to her as a curse, but she begins to see it more as a blessing as she takes ownership of what has been done to her and learns to cope with it all, but this will cause the others to completely freak out.
Kaylee and Simon's relationship will continue to grow and have its ups and downs. Inara and Mal will also face their mutual affection, but Mal will continue to confound her. He doesn't want her to quit her job, but he also can't abide being with her if she's just going to go off and be with others for money. So we'll learn that among other things, he's a hypocritical prude. Then again, we kinda already knew that.
The blue hands men were practically ignored in the film, but would rear their ugly heads again in season two, as the Parliament would continue trying to reclaim what they believe to be theirs.
The fact that all their friends who had ever harbored them have been murdered would not only make it more difficult for the crew of Serenity to find work in places where they have been, but it would make it harder for them to find work anywhere, as news spreads that anyone who befriends Mal ends up pushing daisies. Meanwhile, a new political faction would emerge. Indeed it's been around since the end of the war but was scattered and had no direction. When Mal sent the signal about Miranda, it started a chain reaction among the remaining Independents, and even some who supported Unification but are now getting second thoughts. These individuals would find one another and would have a concept in common: they would want to renew the battle against the Alliance and they would want to have Malcolm Reynolds, the man who learned the secret of Miranda, to be their guiding star.
Mal just wants to go his own way. He put the civil war behind him years ago. He'd be no more interested in supporting the Independents now than he would be in taking root on a core planet and not misbehaving. He just wants to fly his ship and make a meager living. He doesn't have lofty goals, but this growing insurgence of rebellion against the Alliance would continue to grow despite his attempts to ignore them, and if he chooses not to join then they will eventually perceive him to be yet another enemy. "You're either with us or against us" will be their plea, and he won't be able to walk away any more than when Jayne called him on his failure at Serenity Valley.
After other failed attempts by The Parliament to either persuade or force River Tam to rejoin their ranks, the end of season two would reveal that River was not the only 'graduate' of Doctor Mathias. A fellow 'classmate' of hers from the Academy would confront her. Perhaps earlier on he's introduced as one of the insurgents, but it turns out he's a double agent, who's job is to befriend River and the ship only to cripple them and drag them back to the Academy, to end River's wandering once and for all.
Also some point about one fourth to one third of the way through the season, an episode would reveal that Badger, portrayed by Mark Shepherd reprising his role from season one, is on the run. His house of cards on Persephone has fallen apart due to a coup/mutiny by his own hired minions, and the only place he can turn to avoid certain doom is none other than the crew of Serenity. By halfway through the second season he becomes a new regular. Why? Cuz Badger's cool that's why.
There's still endless possibilities here. If this never gets put back on the boob toob, there is no justice in this verse.
[ edited by ZachsMind on 2006-02-08 08:59 ]
ZachsMind | February 08, 10:41 CET
If we infer that the motion picture was the equivalent of a two hour/episode finale for season one...
Except that Joss has already stated the movie was mainly a compression of story arcs intended for season two.
The One True b!X | February 08, 10:46 CET
Djungelurban | February 08, 10:52 CET
I understand, but I don't comprehend. That may have been what he planned before, but what goes up on the screen (little or big) is canon. Had the series been allowed to flow as it originally intended, yes we probably would not have seen River be what she is now for two years. That's water under the bridge. I'm working with what exists not what it would have been. In fact, the four "season one" episodes I describe above would ideally end up as either flashbacks incorporated into season two, or entire episodes featuring characters now believed to be dead. Somehow we'd have to fill in the blanks of those missing eight months between Objects In Space and the film.
My point, and I do have one, is whether or not Kristin actually "saw Nate Fillion, Summer Glau and Gina Torres coming out of one of the exec buildings at Paramount," there's still a tale to tell here. It may not be the original tale Whedon wanted to tell when he started, and it most certainly won't be the tale I just weaved above, but the variables are still rich with possibility, and it will be a disservice to the 'verse if it's not somehow brought to fruition.
Wonder Woman be damned. Even Buffy be damned. The Firefly must fly again. You can't stop the signal.
ZachsMind | February 08, 10:58 CET
Whoa ZachsMind that was kickarse! A very enjoyable read indeed! You've got the whole next season wrapped up nicely there. I'd really love it if we got to see it.
Sigh....again.
Wonder Woman be damned. Even Buffy be damned. The Firefly must fly again. You can't stop the signal.
Powerful words there.
nixygirl | February 08, 11:14 CET
Simon | February 08, 11:17 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | February 08, 11:22 CET
electricspacegirl | February 08, 11:23 CET
AnotherFireflyfan | February 08, 11:26 CET
The CW Network would be the perfect launching platform for more Firefly. I think Firefly would make a great high profile show for this new network and it would fit in well with the other shows that the CW has, Veronica Mars, Smallville etc.
Zoic_Fan | February 08, 12:11 CET
BAFfler | February 08, 12:21 CET
In other words, it is a speculation about some gossip that "a friend" saw. Like TamaraC said, just stirring the hornets nest without much fact. OTOH, it gave a great chance for KeithG and ZachsMind to give us two show proposals, both great in their own ways (either LOL or whoa, dude, that's deep!). :-)
billz | February 08, 12:28 CET
Why? Firefly got cancelled because it lost Fox money and didn't get enough viewers. Serenity didn't succeed at the box office. I'm not utterly convinced The CW would want a "failed" franchise as part of their new line up.
Simon | February 08, 13:16 CET
sandyg | February 08, 13:21 CET
These people know each other, so if they went in for something like the above, they'd probably wait for each other and go some place.
Or maybe Kirstin wants some hits on her column.
gossi | February 08, 13:23 CET
Wow, another epic from Zachsmind with some really interesting speculations. As has been mentioned the film took us upto the end of season 2 but I think there's some meaty ideas in there for season 3 and beyond. I'm not sure about Zoe resenting River tho' and partly just because I don't agree that River could do things with the old tub that Wash couldn't. Tho' she's off the chart smart, psychic and pretty handy with an axe to boot, River just, IMO, doesn't have the almost savant ability with the flying that Wash had. Wash not only had 'the right stuff', he was made of it.
Saje | February 08, 13:45 CET
dottikin | February 08, 13:50 CET
[ edited by Johan on 2006-02-08 12:01 ]
Johan | February 08, 14:00 CET
So, two things: you could speculate they were doing international publicity for the Serenity DVD - eg press interviews, conference calls etc with the UK (which is currently having it's promo done - DVD Review has a phone interview with Gina, for example). This is most likely the case.
Otherwise; you could speculate they were meeting The Powers That Be over Serenity.
gossi | February 08, 14:08 CET
I am just going to continue playing Serenity sequels in my head.
By the way- SO VERY NUDE, the best by far.
nna_funk | February 08, 14:34 CET
gossi | February 08, 14:44 CET
But she sure is skilled at driving traffic to her site. Hats off.
Given the article we had linked a few days ago, how Buffy supposedly killed the WB and UPN, I’m thinking, wouldn’t it be cool if Firefly came back and killed the CW?
If I was runnign the CW, I’d be hiding under a desk right now.
miranda | February 08, 14:54 CET
Kiddo | February 08, 16:03 CET
My name is coolpeace, and I am Firefly addict ;-)
BTW, Zachsmind, good stuff.
coolpeace | February 08, 16:49 CET
BAFfler
I'll second that.
war_machine | February 08, 16:53 CET
And as much as I like River, I do not like the idea that River would be a better pilot than Wash, so I part ways with you there, Zachs Mind. Otherwise, great.
Lioness | February 08, 16:56 CET
No, but her columns over the years seem to indicate that she's as much of a fan as we are.
killinj | February 08, 17:24 CET
OK, but Dead Wash might not make much of a Reaver slayer.
Nebula1400 | February 08, 17:59 CET
Turtle | February 08, 18:08 CET
Well, if you dropped him from high enough ...
Saje | February 08, 18:23 CET
If it was them, who knows who they were visiting, or why? And how does this person know they were in someone's office and not visiting someone (a former cast member maybe) on a set?
People, they also could have been there together by coincidence. There are casting offices on the lot. Actors run into each other like that. Calm down, will ya? That's like seeing Shatner and Nimoy coming out of the Paramount lot and people thinking "Wow! Is Star Trek coming back?" ; )
Also, River is the perfect choice for ship's pilot. She "knows" Serenity better than anyone. Even better than Kaylee. Remember, River could name exactly the type of ship Serenity is. (See "The Train Job") She walks through the ship barefoot most of the time. She touches the walls. She actually feels the ship intimately.
Oh, and the notion of Zoe being pregnant? Please. Yeah, maybe she wants a baby, but she's not stupid about their situation. She's not the type. That's my two and a half cents, anyway.
By the way...am I the only one who missed THIS?
[ edited by Caroline on 2006-02-08 22:39 ]
AmazonGirl | February 08, 18:34 CET
I'd rather have an accurate gossip columnist than a fan who on occassion gets it completely wrong.
Simon | February 08, 18:35 CET
Gotta side with Simon there. I'm sure Kristin's nice, and I can see she's a fan, but the times she got things completely wrong....pfffff.
Especially after she announced that Angel S6 was already approved way early in S5, I tend to take her with grain of salt the size of a bowling ball. I think buzz is more important to her than accuracy.
EdDantes | February 08, 18:58 CET
I think you're being a tad unfair simon. Kristin is a big supporter of Firefly and the Buffyverse. She regularly nags shows to take on the actors who are in need of more screen time.
I'd rather have a verse supporter that has a 'half-full cup', rather than a gossip columnist who doesn't give two hoots for our favourite shows.
brob1 | February 08, 19:00 CET
Well AmazonGirl it was posted here but I'm sure you're not the only one who missed it. Things do move pretty quickly here sometimes.
Paul_Rocks | February 08, 19:37 CET
Kristin's works for a company who earns it's profits from advertising. Visiting the linked page? You're looking at advertising. Her job is to generate traffic to that mag.
And, of course, she's succesful so all power to her.
gossi | February 08, 19:41 CET
But, here's where I disagree with you Simon. Yes, the show was cancelled on Fox because they didn't feel it had enough of an audience but I believe it's audience was bigger than BtVS and AtS and the shows popularity has since grown as it's success on DVD has shown. So I do think it would be a viable show to go after, especially after that nice little article mentioning that the WB letting Buffy go was a huge mistake, and the couple of articles that I saw saying this new network should try and get Joss Whedon to write a show for them.
Firefly Flanatic | February 08, 20:00 CET
I don't dispute that Firefly got bigger ratings than Buffy and Angel however Fox is a major network as opposed to the UPN and WB netlets (hark at my Variety speak). The bigger the network, the bigger the ratings a show has to get to stay on the air.
I would love to see a list of the best selling TV shows on DVD ever. I am very curious to see how Firefly would fare.
Absolutely. But I think a brand new Joss show (with no past baggage) would have a better chance of getting put into production.
Simon | February 08, 20:08 CET
Well, 'half-full cup' implies optimism. I'm not sure Kristin is optimistic, she's just trying to scoop, and sometimes gets things-really, really important things, dead wrong. And if it saves my heart from being crushed every other week, I have to say I'd rather have a gossip columnist who doesn't give two hoots for our favorite shows than a fan who tries to get hopes up based on next to nothing. Of course, it's my own fault if I get my hopes up due to something a columnist says, but it's hard not to...
Rogue Slayer | February 08, 20:08 CET
Of course, there are reasons for this - the show wasn't easy to market, by all accounts Fox made a monkies of that anyway, a Friday night slot and a network which didn't quite believe in the show at many levels anyway.
Firefly holds a special place in my heart - but lets face it, when the person who created it says "Firefly is dead", it's dead. Of course, it might appear in some other form - direct to DVD or whatever - but there's only so many times it is worth trying to rise from the ashes in a new format.
I'd would _love_ to see a new Joss show, and hope one day he has that spark again.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-02-08 18:25 ]
[ edited by gossi on 2006-02-08 18:26 ]
gossi | February 08, 20:25 CET
Totally agree with this. As much as I'd love to see Firefly come back, I think a fresh new show would be the best bet to have a chance at success.
Now, I do get that Fox was a bigger network, therefore needed the bigger numbers but what is the expectation for this new merged network? Will they expect similar audience sizes to what the WB and UPN had or will they have bigger audiences because more people will have access?
Firefly Flanatic | February 08, 20:29 CET
bravegal | February 08, 20:34 CET
The One True b!X | February 08, 20:52 CET
Put it this way: I don't believe any of the powers that be are running around trying to save Firefly. Tim has a new show for Fox, Chris B is working for Zoic now, Joss has Wonder Woman/Goners/X-Men , Nathan has a feature film role etc. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing: I really do wish all involved the best of luck. The subtext, really, is that many fans cling to this idea that Firefly season 2 is about to be announced. It's not. Uhm, sorry. Maybe some new format will arrive, but in terms of a TV series return, I think it's dead in the water.
[ edited by gossi on 2006-02-08 19:08 ]
gossi | February 08, 21:08 CET
And then I read that he said
Spread the word!
Lioness | February 08, 21:25 CET
gossi | February 08, 21:42 CET
WAIT! STAR TREK'S COMING BACK! Holy crap, this is great! I've gotta get all my buddies together and...
Oh. You were making an example. =)
BAFfler | February 08, 22:01 CET
brownishcoat | February 08, 22:18 CET
Caroline | February 09, 00:40 CET
Nebula1400 | February 09, 01:33 CET
theonetruebix: yes, it shows you how bummed I was to see it's just another "Firefly is back!" rumor with a balsa wood foundation. As I said, nixygirl expressed my feelings on the topic.
How about this instead: they were in the building to meet for lunch!
Seriously, though, they are friends, and if they were seen leaving together, it doesn't mean they were there together for some business meeting, though the promo stuff gossi mentioned sounds reasonable. I also agree that Firefly as it was is extremely unlikely, and an attempt to recreate the exact circumstances is doomed to failure, unless it includes Fox in charge and as uninterested as ever, in which case you get an exact repeat of history, airing (if we're lucky) ten new episodes...
RBB | February 09, 02:36 CET
dcubed | February 09, 03:14 CET
Welcome coolpeace, how long have you been sober for?
As for new Joss shows, who's with me in thinking Fray would be a great show?
nixygirl | February 09, 11:40 CET
Although, intellectually I do understand that Firefly should not fly again. It could never be recreated as it was, that chapter is over. However, other stories within that 'verse would be pleasing enough.
Or, any new Joss.
coolpeace | February 09, 17:29 CET
Also, please do call me Nixy, everyone does ; D
nixygirl | February 09, 17:37 CET
Maybe President Obama will have a special screening in the White House. (See, told you I was a dreamer!)
[ edited by bobster on 2006-02-09 22:23 ]
bobster | February 10, 00:23 CET