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October 11 2005

Washington Browncoat goes above and beyond. On Sept. 30 in Vancover, WA, a man bought 320 tickets to "Serenity" and stood in front of Regal Cinema Cascade 16 theater and gave them away. The identity of this man is unknown.

I was a little confused there for a second. Two stories in one article. Anyhoo, that is crazy.
He's having too much fun!
"He's a big fan of 'Firefly' and wants the (box office) numbers high enough that the studio will make more of the movies," Child said the man told him. >>>

This doesn't help, nice as the gesture was. It will not be lost on the studios that the sales are being artificially inflated by such antics.
I don't see how the studio would care, 50 tickets sold is 50 tickets sold. If I brought a theater full of people I know to a screening of Serenity, the guy whose going through the sales for that theater isn't going to stop say "well this one sold more than the others... it doesn't count." 356 tickets aren't all that big a blip, and his hearts in the right (but seriously kind of weird) place, but every bit helps I guess.
I imagine he didn't do it to add 0.0025 million to the box office, I imagine he did it to get people to see the movie who wouldn't otherwise see it, hoping that they would then tell other people about it.
Heh, Succatash, I was thinking the same thing as I posted this. I think it's really cool. This explains why there were reports of sold out Vancouver showings last weekend. If anybody knows who this guy is, tell him the PDX Browncoats want to buy him dinner and beer.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-11 05:50 ]
I'm really having a hard time deciding whether to be against this man or happy for him.

On the one hand, that's a couple of hundred dollars that could have been better spent. On the other, these kinds of things show the media just how crazy people are for Joss and will hopefully benefit his work.
I don't know whether to shake his hand or admit him into the bouncy pillow room.
SpaceChannelFive over on FFF.Net apparently knows the guy.
Joss Whedon is not a struggling fringe artist. He's a commercial filmmaker with two greenlit mainstream Hollywood movie projects beyond Serenity... Giving money charitably to Universal Studios is like giving money charitably to Burger King. They are doing quite well without your charity, sir. This person who spent this money in this manner is a fool. In this era when art and music programs in the public schools are being slashed and eliminated for lack of funds, when teachers are being laid off, when there are homeless kids on the streets, this fellow should look to his own community and support those who don't have $40 million at their disposal to make an action movie. Help someone who actually needs it. If Joss Whedon actually gets to the point where he needs charitable donations to make his movies & TV shows, wait and give the money to him then. At this point, it's a ridiculously lavish gesture and insult to the very concept of charitable giving. Wake up and look at the reality of the world we are living in -- there are people living within blocks of this guy who probably can't afford to buy their children shoes. It makes me sick.
Its his money. I wish I had that much to "waste"!
He must be the guy who was about to donate to the Variety ad and was talked out of it.
Hmm, not knowing the fellow how do we know he is not also donating to charities as well as doing this sort of thing. He obviously has some spare cash. And if we're going to jump all over this guy for spending his own money on something like this instead of donating to a worthy cause then we should be condemning every rich celebrity out there who spends their money on frivolous things and aren't contributing to the welfare of the needy. Heck, we should be condeming every fan who has gone and seen the movie multiple times because their money could've been better spent. My point is, who are we to judge what this person does with their own money, everyone at some point is spending their own money in what other people might consider a frivolous manner. I for one collect all the Buffy Sideshow figures because I love them, they aren't a necessity, they just make me happy. I do give money to charitable causes but should I do without stuff that makes me happy and give all my spare money away just because their are needy people in the world? I don't think this poor guy is responsible for the world - it's his own money - let him do what he wants with it and blame the government for school fundings being slashed and homeless people on the streets.
Well said, Blwessels.
Serapion, while its perfectly alright to disagree with what he did, its not necessary to call him a fool.
I can easily concede the point that people can do with their own money as they please. I cannot abide by this concept of charitable giving to a major Hollywood action movie that opened in second place at the nationwide box office. There is such a thing as perspective. Such extreme public activism in the name of securing a sequel to a multimillion dollar entertainment product of a supremely wealthy corporation is obscene. We're not talking a film with pretentions to anything beyond making the audience go "wow, cool -- that was fun" here.

Most of the fiction books written in the world each year don't get the audience that Serenity has gotten already. Yet their authors manage to carry on without crusades of evangelists giving away their books. Joss Whedon is going to be just fine without these masturbatory displays of guerilla activism in the name of a $40 million dollar sci-fi kung fu movie. If the cause was truly so dire, and these Serenity stories were truly so important to be told, Whedon could get out the typewriter and write up the scripts and print them on the internet for free. Apparently, they are actually things he does for money in the hopes that audiences will support them by paying to go see them. I sincerely doubt his plan was to write a movie that couldn't survive on its own merits, a movie that needed strangers in far flung cities to sacrifice their own funds and free time in order to buy tickets for people who can't be bothered to otherwise see the film.

[ edited by Serapion on 2005-10-11 06:07 ]
Was the man claiming this was charitable giving? Do you seriously see nothing in Serenity but a gee whiz action flick? If that's the case I might suggest you see it again (of course, its not necessary that you buy 300+ tickets...).
Who says this was charitable giving? This guy just loves Firefly and wants to do what he can to try and make sure there is a sequel. Yes, it's frivolous spending on his part but it is his money. I think you are putting way to much into this. It's just a fan going a bit overboard in his desire to see this film succeed.
Heck, who knows, maybe some of those tickets that he gave away went to some people who were struggling for cash and they were grateful for it.
I think "gee whiz action flicks" are just fine. Serenity was indeed a "gee whiz action flick" -- it is full of action sequences that are intended to make the audience spontaneously go "wow, cool." That is what they are designed to do. In between and during those scenes we get some humorous dialogue and very occasionally we are given observations on human nature and political subjects. But those observations seem obviously in second place to the action movie plot. If they were removed the movie would not cease functioning, while if the action scenes were removed there wouldn't be much left.
*suspicious*

Was Joss Whedon anywhere near Vancouver on September 30th?
This is really creepy. Things like this just add fuel to the fire for people who want to see the Browncoats as a little mentally unhinged. Plus, it really does seem like that money could have been better spent. Sure, America's a free country, and you can dispose of your property and money however you wish--but come on. Just because there's not a legal limit doesn't mean there isn't a rational one.
"Joss Whedon is going to be just fine without these masturbatory displays of guerilla activism in the name of a $40 million dollar sci-fi kung fu movie."

"If the cause was truly so dire, and these Serenity stories were truly so important to be told, Whedon could get out the typewriter and write up the scripts and print them on the internet for free."

Ouch! Where am I?
Was Joss Whedon anywhere near Vancouver on September 30th?

If so, he was incognito. Lots of fans were in that theater that night and would have spotted him. And actually 2 of them were unable to see it because the showings were sold out.
Well, I certainly know where you stand, Serapion.

Obviously, there are other ways to "donate" one's money. And I don't necessarily disagree with any particular point you're making. It's just the force with which you speak. A guy spent his own money and gave tickets out to people walking up to the cinema. He likely enjoyed himself, as we can assume did most of the people who took him up on a free ticket. If the guy were jumping around on a pulpit, screeching and drooling, I might support your label of evangelist. Also, that's the part that would be creepy. Kindly offering people free entertainment for two hours with a smile and a wave doesn't have to be inherently creepy. It could be, dare I say, the one random act of kindness some of the people who got tickets experienced that day.

And in much the same way that Joss or Universal likely have no complaints on how all those tickets were purchased, neither would any author and publishing company who had a fan do the same thing. Despite being able to survive without the help.

Is it simply Universal's finances and JW's name recognition that makes this man's actions so disagreeable? Because I see lots of fans devoting time to unsigned bands by running around and putting up flyers to advertise gigs. Is the band's finances justification for such evangelising? Many people devote time and money to running sites like this one - and there are plenty of sad, sad people who would say that is frivolous. That money could be donated - that time spent in a soup kitchen.

Like I said, I don't disagree that there are more "worthy" causes that his money could have contributed to. I just wonder who should be in such a position to define for others what is worthy of their time and money.
I actually think the movie does more than give a few moments to observations on human nature and political subjects. The major arcs of the movie are in fact tied up observations on faith/belief, love/sacrifice, the so called right-to-be-wrong, etc. Topics to be hashed out another time, perhaps. Sleepy now :)
In case, Succatash, that you are implying that I'm not sufficiently appreciative of Mr. Whedon's works, and thus am in the wrong forum, I would like to clarify that I have seen every TV show and movie the guy has written, and read most of the comic books -- though not the licensed ones written by other people.

I think Whedon is a talented and fascinating writer. However I also think that he is a shrewd Hollywood player -- he comes from a family of screenwriters. This is not the sort of naive artiste who needs charitable help in order to survive the dangerous waters of Hollywood. He was born there. The BUSINESS of writing is in his blood and he can fend for himself. I would think a seasoned pro like Joss would be offended that people think a movie he made needs charitable help, needs people buying tickets and giving them away. This is a guy who from the start has aimed to create blockbuster cultural phenomena, rather than simply tell stories. He doesn't need you spending thousands of your own money to keep him in the Hollywood game. It makes him look weak, when he's anything but. The guy is a player, and I respect him for it. You should too. Instead I see people treating him like a damaged bird in need of mending, buying "pity tickets" to his movie. Jesus.
It is, in an unprecedented sense, your movie...

And also...

If this movie matters to you, let somebody know. Let everybody know. Make yourselves heard.

I just don't see how Joss would, or should, be offended. Fans helped catapult this canceled TV series to the big screen, and are simply hoping there is more to come. Offensive to Joss? This? Nah.
Well, lookee here. We got fandom_wanked.

I love fandom_wank. I'm all honored and shit. Drinks on me.
Angela, you're right that Joss made a point of making us part of this process. But as soon as people said they were buying tickets for strangers or buying extra tickets for no one, I thought "this isn't what Joss had in mind".

In the end, I can accept people buying tickets for strangers as a way of "making yourself heard". I'm more bothered by some people buying extra tickets that no one ever used.
And maybe everyone here takes a silly lark by a guy with too much money way too seriously. I find the whole thing funny and uplifting. Can everyone just have a drink and chill? Please.
jam2, I concede that it would be bad if fans were buying up tickets for no one that resulted in crowds of people constantly being turned away while there are only the 16 people who bought out the theater sitting inside. If that has happened at all, it hasn't been happening to any noticeable degree.

Joss hasn't been putting conditions and stipulations on the supportive actions of fans. Why should any of us?

TamaraC - let's grab Allyson and go have that drink. She's buying. :)
Angela, I'll even buy if you can drag her out of her house.
Sure. You tell me where she lives, and I'll go get her She'll appreciate the stranger with the rope and cattle prod, right? ;)
Wow, congrats on the fandom wank Allyson and others :-)
And count me among those that think some on this thread seem to be taking this guy's actions a tad too seriously. Handing out a few hundred Serenity tickets? No, not my prefered way of spending $3,000 or so spare bucks. But then again, there are people who might quibble with the choice to spend too much money on shoes, a trip to Australia, a meal at Charlie Trotter's, or a new sportscar when so many more worthy things could be done with the money. As a few others have pointed out, this guy wasn't making a charitable donation to Universal, he was just choosing a way he wanted to spend some money – and certainly a less selfish way than many other people might choose to spend it. If he has that much to spare on movie tickets, my guess is that he's making plenty of charitable donations as well. But here's to frivolous spending, and the lucky passers-by who happened to snag a ticket. Now about that drink...
Sounds like something that could backfire, especially after making the news. Will people say "oh my, if it means that much to fans I should check it out" or "oh god, that movie must be really bad if fans have to give away tickets for free to get someone to watch it"? Maybe he happens to be rich and a few thousand bucks don't matter to him. But if he's not, I doubt even Joss would want single fans to spend THAT much money on promoting his movies. "Money they could use". Flattering, but also kind of disturbing.
Disturbing or amusing. Pretty fine line. I have certainly seen much more disturbing behavior in this fandom than his. More power to him, I say.
I wouldn't exactly call that disturbing either. A little over the top yes, but disturbing no. There's a lot more things going on this world that are "disturbing" than some guy throwing his own money away on what most people would feel is a frivolous thing.
Well at least no one can accuse the fandom of being dull.
I cannot abide by this concept of charitable giving to a major Hollywood action movie that opened in second place at the nationwide box office.

Thing is, I don't think this person needs to you or me or anyone else here to 'abide' anything he does. Because it's none of our business anyway. If someone decides to do something what seems outrageous to most people with his own money, then I'm happy he at least did something nice. 'Disturbing' would be if he was standing by the theater with a sign 'Joss is God' and yelling at passerby who buy tickets to other movies.

As others pointed out already, for all we know this guy gives more to charity a year than all of us combined. I find it a little odd to get bent out of shape because some stranger of whom we know nothing about, decided to buy some other strangers movie tickets. I don't think anyone would dub it 'charity' to being with.

Serenity is an unlikely, original, bold project in a business whose products are more and more cookie cutter per year and where there is practically no room for smaller or off-beat projects. It is made by people who really cared about it instead of just cashing their paycheck and smiling at Leno and who themselves have gone above and beyond for it and have been very kind to fans. Some people care about that and want to help it out. That's all Sure on a level it's also selfish because they would love to see more of those movies. And that's people's own business.

Well, lookee here. We got fandom_wanked.

So we did. And apparenlty just daring to disagree with Devin makes one 'rabid' and 'insane'. Of course like Devin himself she doesn't go near the actual points of the discussion with a ten-foot pole but why should that even surprise me. Next time let's just all instantly agree with an article even if we don't actually agree with it. Don't wanna be called 'rabid' after all...
Yeah, but on the plus side, Ed, I'm "awesome." So it can't be all bad, can it? ;)
It's none of our business, my dear Count? It was a public performance done for public consumption, to prove himself as a superfan above all others for his superfan friends. Why else would someone stand around in public and hand out $3,000 worth of tickets in a parking lot full of people who arrived there intending to see other movies, and with ready cash to buy tickets to those other movies? We don't have to know this guy's name for him to quietly bask in the glow of having gloriously served his newfound messiah -- a two hour action movie with vibrator jokes.

This is sick stuff, folks. People identifying with a corporate entertainment product to the point of losing perspective on the meaning that corporate entertainment product could possibly have on their livves as mature, responsible adults in a country which is at war and sacrificing the lives of our own soldiers and the people of Iraq every hour of every day. Wake up and pay attention to what's really going on... Maybe spending $3,000 to promote this movie will be a little tiny bit less important to this guy if he recognizes his tax dollars are being used to do things every bit as bad as what went down on the fictional planet of Miranda. Oy freakin vey.
Well, fandom_wank is definitely snarky, but I'd take that last remark with a grain of salt. I took issue with it too, because it wasn't the point. The point was that the rabid, creepy fans are a small minority, just very vocal, and CHUD, AICN, etc. are making us ALL out to a bunch of cultish loonies.

I still haven't met one of these "creepy fans" I keep hearing about. I don't agree that this man giving out 300+ Serenity tickets is one of them.

Serapion, could you not post Serenity movie spoilers in a non-spoiler thread please? I've seen the movie but much of the world has not. There are people at this site trying to remain spoiler-free.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-11 10:34 ]
It's none of our business, my dear Count? It was a public performance done for public consumption, to prove himself as a superfan above all others for his superfan friends.


How can you possibly claim to know the motivation of this person you admit to not knowing?

Why else would someone stand around in public and hand out $3,000 worth of tickets in a parking lot full of people who arrived there intending to see other movies, and with ready cash to buy tickets to those other movies?


Maybe he thought the movie was worth seeing? Who are you to judge what a person does with his or her money? This is like standing at a supermarket and waving a finger at anyone who buys an expensive brand. "Why are you buying more expensive milk, when you could buy cheaper milk? Don't you know what state the world is in?". It seems kinda silly to me, honestly.

We don't have to know this guy's name for him to quietly bask in the glow of having gloriously served his newfound messiah -- a two hour action movie with vibrator jokes.


Oh please. Don't you think you are going just a tad overboard with the religious wording here? Plus, I'd like to think that Serenity is more than 'a two hour action movie with vibrator jokes', but that may be just me then.

This is sick stuff, folks. People identifying with a corporate entertainment product


Honestly, isn't that what we do all the time? We love tv shows, movies, books and whatnot. Every single one of those things is a corporate entertainment product. And we tend to like those things, support those things and promote those things to share the experience with others. It's perfectly reasonable human behaviour.

Now I agree that buying a whole movie theatre worth of tickets is slightly over the top. But if I had bunches of money to spend, well, why ever not?

to the point of losing perspective on the meaning that corporate entertainment product could possibly have on their livves as mature, responsible adults in a country which is at war and sacrificing the lives of our own soldiers and the people of Iraq every hour of every day.


What could seeing a movie possibly have to do with politics, war or the lives of soldiers? How does spending money on something make you a less responsible adult?

Wake up and pay attention to what's really going on...


Yes, please. Someone spent a lot of money to buy tickets for strangers, that's what's going on. There is no place for what seems to me to be moral outrage at this fact.

Maybe spending $3,000 to promote this movie will be a little tiny bit less important to this guy if he recognizes his tax dollars are being used to do things every bit as bad as what went down on the fictional planet of Miranda. Oy freakin vey.


Maybe I shouldn't even be going into this, but what now? He spent his $3000 dollars supporting horrible things? Nope. He spent it buying movie tickets. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'd like to restate what EdDantes said so correctly:

Serenity is an unlikely, original, bold project in a business whose products are more and more cookie cutter per year and where there is practically no room for smaller or off-beat projects. It is made by people who really cared about it instead of just cashing their paycheck and smiling at Leno and who themselves have gone above and beyond for it and have been very kind to fans. Some people care about that and want to help it out. That's all. Sure on a level it's also selfish because they would love to see more of those movies. And that's people's own business.


I hereby auto-agree with anything EdDantes says on the subject (hmmm - wonder if that was wise ;-)).

ETA: fixed a quote

[ edited by GVH on 2005-10-11 10:47 ]
I agree with GVH agreeing with EdDantes. :)
I agree with electricspacegirl agreeing with GVH agreeing with EdDantes. So does my mom.
Ben is Glory! I gotta tell....what was that?
Huh? Glory....is Ben?

Anyho, all consumerism is inherently evil. I wonder how many tickets he managed to give away?
Maybe he dissed Firefly earlier, and wants to make amends? ;)
Glory to (is?) him, then!

[ edited by onesnailshort on 2005-10-11 11:35 ]
I had the crazy notion of finding out if myself (and maybe some of the rest of the fandom) could buy Firefly DVDs in bulk for a good deal on lots of 'em to get more out there, but it never got to be more than a vague idea of pre-movie promotion (or even giving them to newbies coming out of Serenity to watch after and grow more attached and increase the chances of them telling their friends). Plus I don't have money to burn. If I did though? I might do something fun like that guy did. Dunno if I'd post about it. I'm not quite ego-driven enough to care about other fans' praise for something like that, but I might

I don't think he was crazy. No idea if he did do it for recognition, I don't think it's fair to assume that. Who cares, he further contributed to the box office and he probably had fun handing people free tickets.
I had the crazy notion of finding out if myself (and maybe some of the rest of the fandom) could buy Firefly DVDs in bulk for a good deal on lots of 'em to get more out there, but it never got to be more than a vague idea of pre-movie promotion (or even giving them to newbies coming out of Serenity to watch after and grow more attached and increase the chances of them telling their friends). Plus I don't have money to burn. If I did though? I might do something fun like that guy did. Dunno if I'd post about it. I'm not quite ego-driven enough to care about other fans' praise for something like that, but I might.


Actually, he's not the one who posted about it. This was an article in a newspaper. The person who's been passing the info around online is a friend of his. She said he had no idea she was even doing that.

But I'm with you. I could see myself handing out the DVDs if I were rich or something.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-11 11:54 ]
Unless we want to get into a debate about the inequality of the distribution of wealth (and I certainly don't), what someone does with their money is largely their own business. Personally, I wouldn't spend my money in this manner, but that doesn't make it wrong. Since I do not know anything about the person or his motivation I can hardly criticise him. However, to be annoying and play devil's advocate, had this been someone doing the same thing for a different film (let's say 'Into the Blue' for argument's sake) I can't help but think that reaction to it here might not have been quite so positive in general.
People identifying with a corporate entertainment product to the point of losing perspective on the meaning that corporate entertainment product could possibly have on their lives as mature, responsible adults

Joss has always said he wanted to make a show (or movies) that a bunch of people needed to see, rather than a ton of people just wanted to see. That's not the statement of an artist whose desire is to make large-scale blockbusters. And I firmly believe as well that it's possible to be connected in the business, firmly within the power hierarchy of Hollywood, and still be an artist. Coppola was wrangled into doing The Godfather by the studio, and ended up making 2 films that are perhaps the greatest movies America has yet produced, films that are actiony and flashy and contain many soap opera elements, and is also a deeply personal statement about power, love and corruption of the soul.


Wake up and pay attention to what's really going on...

That's purely an assumption you're making on what this fragment of behavior, his actions on one afternoon, implies for his entire psyche.
However, to be annoying and play devil's advocate, had this been someone doing the same thing for a different film (let's say 'Into the Blue' for argument's sake) I can't help but think that reaction to it here might not have been quite so positive in general.


Well, yes, I would have probably wondered why anyone would possibly want to spend that amount of money to promote that movie, since it doesn't seem to be a very good. And maybe I would've gone paranoid (hey, I'm only human) and discussed the option that it might have been an action of people wanting to see Serenity fail.

So, yes, the reaction would probably have been different. But I highly doubt that people would have condemned the act itself.

And also...what?! Ben is Glory?!
Well, it was a Friday, maybe he was a Joinee performing his raok? (Random Act of Kindness)
If he just wanted Serenity to make money, he probably would have been better off sending a cheque to Universal.

However, how many of us have tried to persuade friends to watch Buffy or Angel or Firefly and been knocked back? I have a really good friend who loves Firefly, loved Serenity but still won't watch Buffy.

Despite this, the reaction of those who have seen Serenity has tended to be hugely positive. If everyone in America who has paid to watch Fightplan this week had also seen Serenity, how many would have truly left the cinema saying that they preferred the former.

Art and entertainment can be popular in two different ways. I would describe the difference as being between depth of popularity and breadth of popularity. This is the difference between a large number of people quite liking something and a smaller number absolutely loving it. It is this effect that has made dvd sales so important. The percentage of those who watch Flightplan who will want to buy the dvd will be far lower than the percentage of Serenity-watchers who choose to do the same.

It has been difficult to decide how best to get the word out and persuade people to see something that we're so sure they'll like. Giving away 320 tickets may seem like a waste of money or an overly ostentatious show of fandom, but if it created 10 new fans who end up loving Joss Whedon's writing as much as most of us do then surely that's a pretty impressive gift.
Guy spent his own money to get folks to see a film he liked. I don't see the issue at all.
Serapion: preaching at fellow posters is not a thing we tolerate here. Tone down your opinions.
I had the crazy notion of finding out if myself (and maybe some of the rest of the fandom) could buy Firefly DVDs in bulk for a good deal on lots of 'em to get more out there, but it never got to be more than a vague idea of pre-movie promotion (or even giving them to newbies coming out of Serenity to watch after and grow more attached and increase the chances of them telling their friends).


Well, I do something similar, with the Whedonverse Project I raise money from fans to get the DVDs of Whedon's shows into public libraries. Of course, the libraries actually request the DVDs, so its not quite the same as giving them out at random. However, if that makes me a total loonie, then so be it.
Any publicity is good publicity. Or nearly any publicity.

Flight attendents asking people to boycott Flightplan probably caused it's great box office showing, or at least help it in a fairly big way. It made national news.

If a guy had $3000 to spend on tickets... Fair enough. It might seem scary, but it's just about the only non-official-promotional media story I've seen about the movie.

If something like that broke nationally as a story, Serenity would soar from people wondering what the hell it's all about. Like Flightplan.
However, to be annoying and play devil's advocate, had this been someone doing the same thing for a different film (let's say 'Into the Blue' for argument's sake) I can't help but think that reaction to it here might not have been quite so positive in general.

Well, actually, I think my reaction would be the same: indifference. Sort of a "whatever floats his boat" reaction. Not the way I'd spend my money, but totally within his perogative, and far less disturbing than many other things he could do with it. Quite benign, actually.
True, if the movie were "Into the Blue" I might question his taste, but I wouldn't if it were "A History of Violence " or "Murderball" or many other movies (other than Serenity) out there...
And Serapion – I don't think of Serenity as anything more than a really fun action/sci-fi movie that continues a story of a world/people I happen to love. I don't think of it as the second coming or an incredibly intellectual film or even (*ducks*) one of the best films of the year. But I think being a really entertaining, well-told story has its own merits – ones you keep seeming to denigrate with the snarky "action movie with vibrator jokes"-type lines. You may or may not have liked the movie – that's fine. This certainly isn't a board that expects monolithic opinions. But many here (for obvious reasons) DID like it. And I don't think that makes us rabid cult followers of "a newfound messiah." Just fans of an entertaining movie.
Again, this guy buying extra tickets with his money is no more our business than if he were buying a $2500 suit or wasting it at a Vegas casino (or giving it to a charity, for that matter). I don't see what's so disturbing about it.
Even the amount is relatively negligable – a mere blip (not even) in Serenity's box office and an amount that lacks the power to make any real difference to poverty or world peace. Unlike, say, the millions that some celebrities might spend on a diamond ring or a jeweled toilet seat, if you want to go off on irresponsible spending... :-)

[ edited by acp on 2005-10-11 15:19 ]
Gossi, how would one get that kind of national attention to something like that? Rhetorically speaking, of course.
electricspacegirl - for this story, you couldn't :)

However, if the Reavers union called for a boycott of Serenity...

Okay, I'll stop typing this Crap Joke(tm) right now.
acp:
..a jeweled toilet seat..

Ouch!
Simon, I can certainly tone down how I express my opinions (i.e., be less than truthful about how repulsive I find this behavior), but I'm afraid the only way my opinions themselves could be toned down is if someone were to convince me to think differently.

I came here to post and read because I think Whedon is a good commercial writer whose work is interesting to follow and discuss, not because I think of him as a starving artist who can't get any attention for his work. His latest film is not a political cause who needs martyrs to lay down their savings accounts in its defense. The man is a highly paid artist of mainstream entertainment who probably makes more money a year than anyone else on this forum and who has no trouble finding work. And as far as I'm concerned, the products of the man's mind are going to be interesting whether or not he can get another Serenity movie made. Thus there isn't much of a cause to fight for here. Whedon will continue telling stories, and they will continue to be worth paying attention to. If he were in the miserable situation of a George Romero before "Land of the Dead" got greenlit I could perhaps understand the desperate tone of the fandom.

I suppose the main thing that sets me off about this behavior is that it strongly reminds me of the behavior Ernest Becker describes in his text "The Denial of Death." According to him, religious fanatics act illogically and destructively when their belief system is threatened, because to threaten their belief structure is to remind them of death, which sets off an emotional response. It seems to me that some of Joss Whedon's fans have such painful lives that they have turned to Whedon's fictional creations as a screen against the depression which would overwhelm them should the real world be faced full-on. Thus the desperation to prove Serenity a success, and to gain more sequels... As long as the Serenity story continues on, and as long as its cultural standing is not threatened by poor box office, the security blanket of Whedon's appealing universe is not yanked away and people whose lives are desperate and full of suffering suddenly act out in illogical ways and spend the content of their savings account in order to buy additional converts to the cause, or even possibly find a like-minded friend in a desperately lonely universe. The only problem is, it doesn't work in the end, and people who act out in this manner only find themselves in worse straits than before -- the same situation only minus $3,000.

[ edited by Serapion on 2005-10-11 17:06 ]
a jeweled toilet seat
Ouch! That caught my attention. ( But one snailshort beat me to saying it.)

Joss Whedon is going to be just fine without these masturbatory displays of guerilla activism in the name of a $40 million dollar sci-fi kung fu movie."

"If the cause was truly so dire, and these Serenity stories were truly so important to be told, Whedon could get out the typewriter and write up the scripts and print them on the internet for free."

Ouch! Where am I?
Succatash | October 11, 06:22 CET


In case, Succatash, that you are implying that I'm not sufficiently appreciative of Mr. Whedon's works, and thus am in the wrong forum, I would like to clarify that I have seen every TV show and movie the guy has written, and read most of the comic books -- though not the licensed ones written by other people."


Serapion, I think Succatash was just commenting on the rather combative tone and language being used in your posts and that it was unusual for Whedonesque. Just my opinion, of course, but disagreements and opinions do have a tendency to be expressed in a bit less in-your-face way on this site than on other sites and Succatash may have just been jarred into confusion for a moment. ;-)

Congratulations SNT as finally being recognized on another site as "awesome." I'm sure the rest of the mods will be properly acknowledged by the world at large soon as well...though I seem to recall Simon getting some play here and there.

Oh yeah, and I'm with Ed Dantes and friends on this whole subject.
Ok Serapion that whole last paragraph was just weird. We aren't a f'in cult. I don't think its the fans who are taking it too seriously. More the people who feel the need to analyze them.

[ edited by eddy on 2005-10-11 17:16 ]
Yeah, but on the plus side, Ed, I'm "awesome." So it can't be all bad, can it? ;)

I sense sexual favors having been given....

a public performance done for public consumption, to prove himself as a superfan above all others for his superfan friends. Why else would someone stand around in public and hand out $3,000 worth of tickets in a parking lot full of people who arrived there intending to see other movies, and with ready cash to buy tickets to those other movies? We don't have to know this guy's name for him to quietly bask in the glow of having gloriously served his newfound messiah

Wow and once again the crux of your argument is jumping to all kinds of conclusions. You know absolutely nothing about this person other than that he bought a lot of tickets and gave them to strangers. And for all your righteous indignation (was some of that money stolen from you?) things still stand the same: it's none of your business. Just because you take a personal dislike to it doesn't mean that it somehow makes this 'your call' to make. And btw, 'new-found Messiah'? Blowing things up a tad, are we?

I hereby auto-agree with anything EdDantes says on the subject (hmmm - wonder if that was wise ;-))
Perfectly wise, GVH. Now let me go into a speech on how Serenity makes us all serve my Lord Beelzebub!! ;-)

I agree with electricspacegirl agreeing with GVH agreeing with EdDantes. So does my mom.

More recruits for the Dark Lord ;-)

had this been someone doing the same thing for a different film (let's say 'Into the Blue' for argument's sake) I can't help but think that reaction to it here might not have been quite so positive in general.

No but I'd still defend his right to do it. Still his money, his call, etc. I'd be scratching my head till it bled wondering why on earth THAT movie would get such passion out of someone but...

Flight attendents asking people to boycott Flightplan probably caused it's great box office showing, or at least help it in a fairly big way. It made national news.

You're joking! Didn't even hear that. Wow talk about an action backfiring...

However, if the Reavers union called for a boycott of Serenity...

You joke but you're on to something there. If Joss had put something really controversial in there other than the basic socio-political message it has, maybe people would've been picketing the movie's release. Now THAT would've gotten more mainstream people in seats, hehe. Joss, next time have Mal call the Pope a 'doo-doo head' or something!;-)

(Oh for any people from 'other sites' reading this, that was a joke, okay? Got it? Ah, never mind. I can see the new posts and articles now: "Browncoats are all anti-catholic!!")
Serapion, your first two paragraphs? Completely correct. Last paragraph? Incredibly judgemental. Incredibly labeling.

Not everybody invests in this fandom - or this site - for the same reasons. You shouldn't group and label people when you don't like their actions, certainly for something like this, I'd suggest.

[ edited by gossi on 2005-10-11 17:31 ]
Serapion, dude. People do this because they enjoy it. They get others to watch the movie to share the experience, to let others enjoy it. We want a sequel because it would be great to have one, not because our lives would would be unbearable without one. Psychological analyses of a person who you've never even spoken to extrapolated to a whole group? Weird...
I sense great anger for no reason. Where am I?
Yoda, is that you?
Reminds one that their posts here could be used to extrapolate potentially unfair/inaccurate psych profiles. Man, the weird things people would think about me... ;)
So I'm sitting here wondering did anyone call the Trek fans loonies when they tried to fund another Enterprise season themselves? Sure people said what they were doing was impossible. But did they question their moral beliefs and think they had fragile psyches for it?
zeitgeist, you are clearly a blue gloved control freak! ;)
gossi - I fully expect that the next time SNT and I post in the same thread that you will post 'Two by two, names of blue...' ;)
Ok, only made it part way through this thread...not quite gettin' what the big uproar is about. His money, he felt the need to buy people movie tickets, not really seeing an issue. I think publicity is publicity - and that was more likely the goal than artificially inflating sales numbers (as with all of us, I'm ASSUMING on something I know nothing about).

If I'd have been at the theater and the guy was handing me free tickets, I'd say, "Thanks!" and go see myself a free movie...which would STILL cost me twenty-five bucks in popcorn and soda.

I'm noticing a definite trend in the threads on Serenity here as of late. I've stayed out of it til now, but there does seem to be some definite strong personal feelings attached to that flick. I know that people feel very involved and possessive - it's the fans that got this thing made afterall, So, I suppose people have the right to feel personally involved. I know emotions are high, as people feel disappointed the movie didn't kick more a$$ at the box office right away and everyone is trying to understand why, I'm just surprised to see emotions running so high, here, at Whedonesque.

And of course, due to zeitgeist - "Two by two, names of blue..." I probably have the entirely wrong reference in my head, because in my head Homer is saying "Leaves of three, leave it be. Leaves of four, have some more!" :)

[ edited by Grace on 2005-10-11 17:51 ]
I am, of course, going for the Firefly/blue-gloves ref.
It is okay Succatash, you're at Whedonesque. We just have someone who has apparently decided that the only accurate way to express an opinion is to use inflammatory language and make unflattering judgements about...well...everyone, it seems. One poster who does not get the style of the site, does not the site change, especially if no one else indulges in the same way.

Grace, I don't see emotions running so high here because the movies didn't make money. Disappointment, yes, but not high emotipn. The high emotions seem to have come more from people who are getting upset with what has been reported fans have done to try to help the film. Most of which IMHO seems either pretty innocuous or nonspecific.

PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT: Unfortunately, because I am not big with the worship, I have to take away my whole-hearted support for EdDantes's posts.

(sigh) This is why I always have so much trouble with joining things. They keep getting corrupted. I mean, I was right there with you EdDantes, and then you had to go and ruin it by doing the whole religious thing. ...Worshipping indeed.

zeitgeist, since you turned blue the threads are certainly getting more colorful. :-)
zeitgeist, since you turned blue the threads are certainly getting more colorful. :-)


So you're saying there's some connection between zeitgeist being made a mod and high emotion?
zeitgeist is Glory?....

Sorry, dunno where that came from :)
I'm slighty amused, slightly confused by this recent tension. People are getting stressed out. I have complete faith that whatever's going to happen with the Firefly/Serenity 'verse is meant to happen, and I'm just enjoying the wonderful movie we got. I'm still hyping it up to people a little bit, and hanging out with the 'coats, but I'm just not worried about it. Joss will do good in movies and whatever else he does. I'm excited about his next project. Oh, and him guesting on Veronica. We all need to take a deep breath and chill for a bit. Everything will work out in the end, the way things do.

ETA: I'm referring mostly to the tension on the other boards and some that's leaked in here. Whedonesque is still golden to me. I'm glad I'm here.

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-11 18:09 ]
Ok, just read all the comments (I am happy with the consensus) and all I have to say is Go Ticket Guy!
That's how I feel to ESG - Of course, I'd want sequels but if we don't get them we still got a great two hours of storytelling and the main story from Firefly concluded.

But I agree with Newcj comments to Grace:

Grace, I don't see emotions running so high here because the movies didn't make money. Disappointment, yes, but not high emotipn. The high emotions seem to have come more from people who are getting upset with what has been reported fans have done to try to help the film. Most of which IMHO seems either pretty innocuous or nonspecific.


And I also think that this entire thread about some guy spending his own money got totally blown out of proportion by one person's views on this whole thing and everyone responding to that. It most likely would've just been something that most of us found amusing if not odd and then it quickly would have been forgotten.
zeitgeist, since you turned blue the threads are certainly getting more colorful. :-)

Is that because I talk to much? :) Or am I inciting people?
zeitgeist is Glory?....

/me waits for ...is made of chocolate to resurface as well
Wow! Z got all moddy then. Did anyone else see that! ;)
Weird!

Hey remember the good old days?
When you came to Whedonesque and people weren't cranky. We didn't start a thread with a fan's devotion and end up talking about Iraq. Or analyse one anothers phsyche or beliefs by how much time and energy they spent on anything Joss related. Remember when it was just us, and well...us.
Sigh...they were some good times.
Ah, now I have some favorite memories, as we all share on here.

But let me take you back to a time when life was....simpler. Like say, three months ago, when we just warmed ourselves by the monitor, basked in the love of Joss.

Come with me now...as we revise.
The Lurve Thread

Hmmmm, twas the same for me and I got married too.
Simon | August 07, 18:03 CET

I dated somebody for about 5 years from Buffy related matters. Oh yes.
gossi | August 07, 18:08 CET

Awww...that's so cool!

And not to mention all the new mates I've made through all things Joss (and am still making).

I shall be bring my note along on Wednesday if that's okay Gossi?
bubblecat | August 07, 18:20 CET

Sure, BC. I will pass it to cider on Friday at Birmingham.
gossi | August 07, 18:34 CET

Oh, do tell us of your Whe-Dating, Simon, gossi, etc. *sits cross-legged at their feet, all silly and festive, eager to hear happy/funny/inappropriate tales*
barest_smidgen | August 07, 18:40 CET

Yes, I'm with barest_smidgen on that. Cough up them there details please? It may be off topic but it's still some mighty fine Whedon loving, of a sort. *sits next to barest_smidgen, with pillow and blanky, ready for tales of ribaldry*
[ edit ] nixygirl | August 07, 18:44 CET

*smiles* Indeed, of the many things that I have to thank Joss and Whedonesque for, meeting my love, the incomparable barest_smidgen is the highest on that list. Several flights later (not to mention hundreds of hours of phone and literally thousands of emails and txt msgs) and planning our next visit thanks to Whe-Dating(tm) :) Would love to hear more about others' stories!
[ edited by zeitgeist on 2005-08-07 18:50 ]

zeitgeist | August 07, 18:45 CET


Ah...such good times. For those of you who are new here I highly reccomend the reading. Lot's of happy.

Also, is it true that Ben is....Glory???
Gossi, you wrote:

"Last paragraph? Incredibly judgemental. Incredibly labeling."

What I said was: "It seems to me that some of Joss Whedon's fans have such painful lives..."

See the word "some?" I didn't say the majority. But I don't think this guy is in the majority. It's extreme behavior.

I base the opinion above on a lifetime of observation of my own life and the lives of the people I have known. And in my own life and in the lives of people I have known, intense immersion in fantasy has been the result of pain in the real world. I can remember as a child when I couldn't sleep and cried all night because a comic book I loved was cancelled. The reason I cried was not because that comic book was so incredibly fulfilling and important, but because the rest of my life sucked and that piece of crap comic book was a shield against that suckage. I speak of this from experience, not as a smugly superior psychologist in a lab coat. I've seen posts on these boards wherein people describe themselves as crying with anger all the way home from the theater because of their feelings of betrayal As with the $3,000 ticket man, this behavior strikes me as odd and destructive, so as a thinking person I try to figure out why people might be acting so strangely, rather than writing it off as "it's all cool, baby." There is a dark side to fandom, which I find extremely revealing about human nature in general, and thus worthy of examination and discussion.

[ edited by Simon on 2005-10-11 19:08 ]
In fairness, I'd like to point out is FAR less nuts here than I thought it would be, with Serenity's release. I was convinced places like this would melt under the demands.

Mind you, you only have to look elsewhere on the t'interweb to see things going a bit south...
I see that I didn't participate in The Love Thread because I was down in the dumps about being loverless. But I can read it all now 'cause I'm happy. :)
There is a dark side to fandom, which I find extremely revealing about human nature in general, and thus worthy of examination and discussion.

True, but is this the place to do it?
Have you read the love thread? Not all fandom is about escaping your "pain". Some of it is about puppies and happiness.

Also,
I base the opinion above on a lifetime of observation of my own life and the lives of the people I have known.

Making sweeping generalisations on your opinion isn't necessarily productive, or helpful. Frankly, that's the kind of thing that creeps me out. Not saying I completely disagree with you on some of it tho, you certainly do have some valid points.
Hey, we all feel the care here.

Serapion, I understand that you care a lot about many things: Joss writings, and some man that you percieve have a serious problem that is hurting himself in some way.

And we all get maajor sappy over "the lurve tread".

We feel.
We care.
Live and let live.
A lot.

( Group hug, everyone)
Yes, I do so love The Lurve Thread. Even if I'm a lonesome. It's little fire keeps me warm.
*hugz board back*
I buy some of what Serapion is saying- think back to the outcry about Tara's death in Buffy (which still affects me today, but certainly affected a great many people a lot more than it did I). A lot of people invest themselves very closely into these tales, and at times make take things to an extreme. With Serenity, I found what happened to be entirely predicable, and having said that, I still liked the movie a whole lot. What has bothered me is that so many people do not wish to admit the movie did not do as well as predicted. Joss had hoped for around $25 mil by the end of week 2 and they are coming up short-this does not bode well for a future sequel. But as Serapion has said, Joss is not going to hurt for work, and never has. It kills me that he is 10 years younger than I am, and was maybe 32 when Buffy hit the air- he will never again hurt for work. So, let's enjoy him (and hey, why did my MRQE post get pulled? I thought I was doing people a favor!).
As with the $3,000 ticket man, this behavior strikes me as odd and destructive, so as a thinking person I try to figure out why people might be acting so strangely, rather than writing it off as "it's all cool, baby."


So when you cry its about "a shield against the suckage", but when other people feel as if their shield is being taken away, then they are odd and destructive? I ask not to be a jerk, but because that's what you seem to be saying and I'm genuinely interested to hear the answer.

nix - /grin re: The LoveThread(tm) and Ben/Glory
By destructive, in this sense I refer to self-destructiveness. I literally could not sleep that night and was crying about the cancellation of a comic book about the adventures of Shogun Warrior action figures. If that behavior had continued on it would have been fairly destructive to my life.

It seems to me that if every other thing in someone's life that could use $3,000 applied to it is dwarfed in comparison to the success of an action movie, then that is de facto proof that said person's life is at the very least impoverished. I wonder if this person has kids, relatives, knows someone whose home has been trashed in New Orleans? The more insular, empty and deprived of social and societal connection a person's life is, the more likely it's going to be that they don't know of anyone or any cause in their community that needs that $3,000 more than the idea of proving a vague point at the box office of their local multiplex.
Given it's an unnamed person, it's also possible it was somebody from a film studio with $3000 of expenses pulling a PR stunt. I'm sure the person from the paper just happened to be there by accident.

Remember those viral marketing clips? Universal swore to me they had nothing to do with them.
The more insular, empty and deprived of social and societal connection a person's life is, the more they get angry and judgemental towards someone they don't know, about something that doesn't affect them in the slightest.

Remember those viral marketing clips? Universal swore to me they had nothing to do with them.


Yet, I have heard a whisper that it was actually their idea.
(Can't say sources might be lurking)

[ edited by nixygirl on 2005-10-11 19:21 ]
Hey, with all the tension that's been going on lately, might I suggest a solution? I vote for an official Whedonesque naptime in the afternoon!

...what...? It always worked in kindergarten...
It seems to me that if every other thing in someone's life that could use $3,000 applied to it is dwarfed in comparison to the success of an action movie, then that is de facto proof that said person's life is at the very least impoverished.

Not to beat a dead horse, but this again strikes me as a lot of assumptions. For some people, $3,000 isn't actually that much money. This person may (in fact, i think quite likely) has lots of superfluous cash if he's willing to do this. Assuming his life is impoverished because he spends it in this way, to me is no different than assuming someone's life is impoverished because they spend that much money on something equally as frivolous, which we all do all the time (maybe not that much, but amounts are relative - for some of us, spending $300 in a frivolous way would have the same impact). Everyone makes different choices about the way they spend money. I sometimes get up in arms about what seems to me to be really wasteful uses of money that could do real good in the world, but I've also come to realize that everyone makes their own choices for different reasons. Do I try to encourage people to be less self-centered and think, if they have money to spare, about giving it to social-change type causes? Absolutely. But I also try to refrain from judgement. We don't know how else this guy spends his extra cash - quite likely he supports nonprofits in addition to giving away free tickets. But it's not an earth-shatteringly large amount in any case. Not like he put $100,000 toward the movie, which i admit might disturb me somewhat.

I don't see it as giving charity to universal, or assuming joss needs our charity, or any of the assumptions that have been laid out here - just one slightly odd, quirky fan deciding on his own way to introduce more people to the film. Being a strange sort of Santa Claus to folks near the theater that day, perhaps. Wouldn't be my choice, but it's a pretty innocuous one.

Ok, that's my last post on the subject, since i can see we're going in circles. The judgement of spending is something that bothers me, though, in part because i know i sometimes do it, when i hear a friend talk about spending $500 on shoes, or something else that seems frivolous – only to later realize that we all have our own weaknesses.

[edited to fix typos]

[ edited by acp on 2005-10-11 19:25 ]
"something that doesn't affect them in the slightest."

It affects my community that people in it are so confused that they don't recognze the value of money. If $3,000 doesn't mean much to this guy, he needs to read the newspaper and see what it means to single mothers living in his neighborhood who live in cars with their children. If he can't be bothered to do that, I can't be held responsible for pointing out the folly of his ignorant display. And that's what this is: a insulting extravagance acted out in front of the less fortunate. I wonder what the woman working the ticket counter could have done with $3,000. Maybe she could have quit her third job mopping the bathrooms at Arby's and spent a little more time with her kids that week.
And that man...was Elton John.
Serapion: So I assume you get equally up in arms about everyone who builds an unnecessary addition to their home, or eats in an extravgant restaurant, or buys an outfit they really don't need, or takes a vacation (which they obviously don't have to take)... The list could go on.
I agree that there are many ways that $3,000 could be better spent. My point is simply that no one spends all money perfectly, and it's just a teensy bit self-righteous to assume they should. I, too, wish there was less waste in the world, and that people were more conscious of the good that money can do. But people are also entitled to their own bits of frivolity. And while $3,000 is a lot, it's not going to solve endemic societal problems, or even turn one person's life around. I see much larger, more disturbing instances of waste and poorly spent money all around me, every day, so it seems odd to get up in arms about this one specific one.
I'm naming this dead horse were beating hows about....Juan.

[ edited by Richard The 3rd on 2005-10-11 19:59 ]
By destructive, in this sense I refer to self-destructiveness. I literally could not sleep that night and was crying about the cancellation of a comic book about the adventures of Shogun Warrior action figures.

Still jumping to conclusions if you assume your personal experience has to apply to other people. Especially when you know next to nothing about a person. People differ. Using entertainment for escapism is found in every single person. Some people take it too far, yes, but I would take care to actually know a person before you make all those judgement calls.

It sounds like your personal issues are what's getting to you so strongly. Again, nobody got hurt. You know nothing about this person and all that was done was that some people got free movie tickets. Hell, technically this guy (girl?) is a 'patron of the arts' which frankly is a time-honored tradition;-)

If he can't be bothered to do that, I can't be held responsible for pointing out the folly of his ignorant display.

If it's your choice to point something out, you are very much responsible. And again, you have no idea what this person spends on charity. And then still, it's not for you to tell other people what to do with their money. Most of the population buy DVDs, CDs, go out to dinner and to movies, buy a bigger TV. What is that on a year basis? According to you all of that is equally 'disgusting' then and I'd say your issue is with 99.99% of society and you can find far more deserving targets of your anger than this person. For example: CEOs who spend millions on bonuses on themselves while laying off workers, or have million dollar-birthday parties for their wives which they then deduct from taxes. Or defraud their own company to cash in, destroying people's life savings.

If you feel so strongly about miss-spending of money, perhaps you should go picket outside those people's offices instead of attacking someone who just bought some people movie tickets. Talk about odd priorities. At least this person did something nice for other people...

The more insular, empty and deprived of social and societal connection a person's life is, the more they get angry and judgemental towards someone they don't know, about something that doesn't affect them in the slightest.

Or, uh everybody ignore my post because Succatash actually said it better than I and with far fewer words...
Hey - does anyone want to join Ben and Glory and Angela and TamaraC and I for drinks?
This is just too much. I am a non-stop social critic in RL but I come here for fun and Joss worship - and not to speculate on the social or psychological makeup of an activity done by another fan. If I want that - I will go to other boards where such speculation is allowed and encouraged. But when it's done here - my little sacred space starts to feel a little less safe.

So - who wants what to drink? I am taking orders now. Although Ben and Glory are kind of hard to read - I just can't tell what they want.........
Pass me the bottle - I need a drink right about now!
Don't hog that booze, Flanatic. Pass it on, pass it on....
Me too. And I apologize for letting one poster's comments get to me. I'm done. Onto the drinking and reveling :-)
wait you guys - I can't keep up!

What are we drinking?
I had too much whiskey about a month ago at a camping Irish music festival - and I ended up playing mandolin and singing Shady Grove (at the top of my lungs) with a band of merry pipers, fiddlers, guitars and one harmonica, til 3 am. So for me - being the "not often" drinker that I am - I'll just take a nice merlot. That way you all don't EVER have to hear my singing.
*is extremely relieved on your behalf*
Wow. This is a really long thread over such a trivial (yet stange) thread...now I'm going to sit and regret not adding in the Love Thread or the Ben/Glory. I had so much fun reading them that I never thought to contribute!
I think we're all at an agree to disagree point here, so let's kick back and have some drinks and get silly. Bartender, I'll take a pint of the dark stuff ;)
*Hic*, I too apologishe fer letting thish get to me. I luf you guysh, *snff*, you guysh are de besht....*hic*. If anyone'd effer bug ya.....I'd go *BAM* and *POW*. Cuz you guysh are the besht...I effer tell ya that?

I had so much fun reading them that I never thought to contribute!

Tha's okay. Haf a drink. Hey, did som'ne say 'singing'? Yay! 'Take my *hic*love, take my land, as long as you don't take my boooooze.....'
"But when it's done here - my little sacred space starts to feel a little less safe."

I'm sorry, I thought this was a place for discussion of the works of a secular writer, not a sacred one. I think I'll slowly back out the door before I get trussed up and served up as a sacrifice to the angry gods of Universal Studios.
lmao! Ahhh, I so needed a good laugh today. Thank you Ed.
*imagines nixygirl waving us in with her arm, all Andrew-in-Storyteller-like for the "Come with me now, as we revisit The Lurve Thread" You're priceless, nix. :D Good times, indeed.

Hey you drunks! Are you all so lit that you completely missed the formerly blue (not to be confused with zeitgeist's capital-B Blue) electricspacegirl's pronouncement that she is now, in fact, happy?!? Filthy lushes. Didn't you notice that she seems to be hinting that she is no longer "loverless?" Pick yourselves up off the bar room floor, for crissakes, and raise your glass (or your keg) as the case may be, and toast our friend who seems to be of the bliss. Good on you, girl! Hey, who pinched my ass?

[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2005-10-11 20:35 ]
Pass that bottle over here, and let's hope it aint Absinthe. There's already enough angst on this thread. I'll have me some Mudder's Milk, hold the love thread in one arm and Ben/Glory under another and sing a little song.

Juan....the man they call Juan!
I hate to admit this, but I will: I read about the first 10 posts, rolled my eyes and scrolled on down to add my own comment.

The argument that the money could be better spent elsewhere holds no water, imo. The money I spent on candy yesterday could have been better spent elsewhere. The books I purchased could just as easily have been checked out from the library & I could have donated that money to the quake survivors instead.

However, I did buy candy and books and I'm just fine with that. I do charity work sometimes, cause I like it and it's the right thing to do. But, good lord, why is so much put under this negative microscope? And where is the Big Daddy God that tells us all where to spend our dough? What makes it ok or not ok? Should we all just forego seeing the movie and spend that couple of hours doing something socially worthwhile? (Ha! Let's get ten people together and try to define what's socially worthwhile, cause, that would be fun!) And who do we ask? Cause, frankly, I'm having a hard time imagining any sort of agreement being reached about anything. I'm sure there are no end of people who would love to tell me exactly where to spend my time and my money. Fortunately, I'm not much for other people deciding what is ok and not ok for me to do.

Anyone NOT Mother Theresa reincarnated doesn't really have room to talk. Must of us waste money, daily. All of us waste time on frivolities (and dear God, this is a sticky wicket... who gets to decide what's frivolous?). Who gets to decide how much is too much?

What's the deal? The guy wanted to do it, he did it. I would imagine it made him happy, made at least 250 people smile and brought a pleasant, isn't-humanity-cool, type vibe to the day. Personally, I'm a big ass fan of the unexpected, the quirky, the indivdual.
Serapion - as you well know (I would hope), ruthless1 did not mean sacred as in religious/secular. They simply meant (at least the context informs me) that this was a place that was safe from that dark side of fandom, the bickering and infighting. As for the trussed up and served to the angry gods of Universal, we could use less verbiage designed to divide and inflame. Everyone else has seemingly agreed to disagree, but it seems you can't even do that without a parting shot. Please crank it down a notch, okay?

barest_smidgen - that was me :)

ESG - is there a story we should be hearing?
A toast - I call for a toast!
Yeah electricspacegirl! Go girl go!!!
*does a wobbly happy dance that reflects too much alcohol consumption before lunch*
Here's to ESG and her no longer "loverless" status!! And Serapion, stay awhile and have a drink with us! Ed, I think you better give me back that bottle now - is Rogue Slayer giving you a ride home later?!!
*imagines nixygirl waving us in with her arm, all Andrew-in-Storyteller-like for the "Come with me now, as we revisit The Lurve Thread" You're priceless, nix. :D Good times, indeed.

Ya got me in one there baby! Exactly what I was going for! ;)
It's a late night and I'm a little drunk, with all the alcky in the black. I didn't miss ESG's love, but failed to comment.

ESG, come tell us your own tales of ribaldry!
*gets pillow and blankie, sits down near barest, but not too close to the blue meanie Z and gets ready for sleepy byes story*

[ edited by nixygirl on 2005-10-11 20:45 ]
zeitgeist - we'll just fill Serapions parting shot with more liquor. heee! Thanks for the clarification but I didn't really think their comment was worth responding to.

Now please pass that bottle back this way. Ben (or is it Glory) is getting kind of pushy and morphing or something and I can't tell them apart anymore!
Man totally missed the happy couple!! (Dunno why...*hic*) Tha's so great! You guys go! More drinks! Now it's a party!

Ed, I think you better give me back that bottle now - is Rogue Slayer giving you a ride home later?!!

Hey! Tha's my bottle! Getcher own. And as for RS, my own lovely salvation from being luvverless lacks internet right now, hehe. So what she don' know, don' hurt me! *gulp gulp gulp*

(*performs extremely awkward happy dance on the table that makes ruthless1 look like Gene Kelly*)
Sorry, double post....dunno WHAT's wrong wif me...

[ edited by EdDantes on 2005-10-11 20:47 ]
*nix passes out*
Night my lurvelies.
EdDantes - how do you know I don't already look like Gene Kelly anyway? Good guess man - good guess. I am his spittin' image. (NOT)
Now I'm feeling guilty about anything remotely frivolous I spend my money on...better cancel my trip next week.

The man is a highly paid artist of mainstream entertainment who probably makes more money a year than anyone else on this forum and who has no trouble finding work. And as far as I'm concerned, the products of the man's mind are going to be interesting whether or not he can get another Serenity movie made. Thus there isn't much of a cause to fight for here. Whedon will continue telling stories, and they will continue to be worth paying attention to.

For me, the issue isn't so much that I feel like I really need to support Joss Whedon financially or he'll never make another movie again. It's more specifically that I love the Firefly and Serenity world and characters and would love to see more stories from *that* world and from *those* characters, and in order for that to happen, Serenity needs to have a certain amount of commercial success because it *is* a business, and it can not exist without that side of things in place. No, Joss is not a struggling artist and probably does not need my help to buy his groceries or make movies. But much as I love Joss' work and do want to support him (in the moral sense) in anything he does, my attempts to contribute to the business of Serenity are because I would specifically like to see Serenity continued.

And not because of some great emotional trauma or painfully impoverished life. My life has been (knock on wood) really smooth. I know I'm lucky that way. I just happen to like to escape into well-constructed fantasy worlds with interesting characters from time to time.

Personally, I do think what this guy did was a bit extreme. But the argument about how little perspective he has and how this indicates a frivolous use of money... if this guy had gone and spent $3000 on stereo equipment or some personal toy, nobody would have known or thought anything of it. Instead, he chose to spend $3000 on letting other people to do something enjoyable. No, it's not a charitable contribution, and not nearly as useful as contributing to helping out the poor or needy. But it seems to me to be a more altruistic way to waste your money than the way most of us waste ours...

Hmm lots of posts since I started typing this. Oops!
Alcohol? Now that I can agree with...I'll have a Rolling Rock and just get out of EdDantes' way! (That table looks a little wobbly!) :)

[ edited by Grace on 2005-10-11 20:55 ]
Wrote a long post while everybody else was posting the same thoughts...only shorter, soo I deleted it all.

Serapion, You seem intent on ignoring the point that people are making and instead choose the harshest way to interpret or misinterpret things. Doing that sure does get a lot of attention. :-D

Hey, I'll have a drink guys. I'm not much of a drinker, but my back has been killing me for days. (really) A little medicinal alchohol seems like just the thing. (honest) What are we drinking? I'm not fussy, I just want to have the right mixer. ;-)

...and yeah, what's up with electricspacegirl's love life? I saw that too barestsmidgen. c'mon ESG give!

Edited to point out that I am still looking for the same vicarious pleasure of hearing about good things happening to good people that I was back on the Lurve Thread. Yes, I'm still pitiful and will be for many years to come. ;-)

[ edited by newcj on 2005-10-11 20:57 ]
Darn. I went to go take that nap, and I come back, and there's a party I've missed! Is it too late to join in?

Seriously, guys, that last few dozen or so posts (y'know, the ones with the booze) are why this is more or less the only fan site I visit, even if I'm mostly lurking. All of ya rock. ;-)

Now what's this thing about Ben and Glory?
*passes RambleOn623 a drink* still going on!
Woohoo! Thanks zeitgeist! So, now, you're saying that Ben is Glory...?
EdDantes - how do you know I don't already look like Gene Kelly anyway? Good guess man - good guess. I am his spittin' image. (NOT)

I drank enough booze....you are his twin! And everybody else looks like BtVS, AtS and FF/Serenity actors and actresses! Woohoo! Besht party ever!

Alcohol? Now that I can agree with...I'll have a Rolling Rock and just get out of EdDantes' way! (That table looks a little wobbly!) :)

Hey now, Grace, I need something to land on, hehe. And right now you look like Eliza Dushku t'me!

Now what's this thing about Ben and Glory?

Dunno....but they share the same glass for some reason...Say, that Glory chick is kinda hot...
To be honest, if you want to word something in a way which will always annoy some people, you can either play Cordy in a Buffy remake, or write for CUHD.com. (Shit, I'm edrunk and typoing).

I've been away for 2 hours and you're all e-drunk when I get back!
You're gonna need another drink for this, but yeah, Ben is Glory! Although someone accused me of being Glory earlier... (I should clarify that it wasn't EdDantes and that I was typing while he was.)
RambleOn623 - here's the scoop....
*looks furtively around*
Ben is Glory is The Operative is Jubal Early
*sits back with gleeful anticipation and perhaps a Nobel prize for putting it all together*
*then drinks more and commiserates with the rest of the revelers on the soon to be depleted alcohol level*
Hey now, Grace, I need something to land on, hehe. And right now you look like Eliza Dushku t'me!



Boy! You nailed it again. First Gene Kelly, now Eliza! (and again with the NOT!) :)

[ edited by Grace on 2005-10-11 21:15 ]
Gaaah! Everyone is having a party, and I'm next door doing next to nothing...

*takes a look around*

*grabs a drink*

So, you guys are saying that Ben, is Glory.....is zeitgeist?!
Gods! GVH - you gave it away! We were trying to hide z's REAL identity. Now we will have to teleport you to another dimension cuz you spilled the secret.
Aw, newcj, there ain't nothing pitiful about you. Smart, interesting, funny and thoughtful, methinks. As you're still craving the good news, I say we hiijack this thread (or return to the happy-share spirit of the initial post), climb up onto the table with EdDantes, and proclaim any recent bliss we may have among us. We'll be hammered by the time esg returns to hear our sing-songy best wishes, but I can't ever get enough of hearing good things.

Y'all know mine, as I fairly regularly blab about it here, but to update my corner of the LoveThread, I am indeed still quite smitten with the man in Blue, our (my!) own zeitgeist. Despite (due to?) the ass-pinching. We're leaving Friday for Scotland and will be on holiday in the highlands for a whole yummy week. (And to think, our epic romance began with me trying to whore a ticket out of him right here on the black. *sigh* Ours is a beautiful love.)

What's been going on with you kidz since the LoveThread? Whaddayou guys got to make me smile today...? (and keep yer filthy limericks to yourself, Dantes.)

[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2005-10-11 21:28 ]
Whoops! So I wasn't supposed to know that zeitgeist is...what was I saying?
zeitgeist, ruthless, EdDantes... Noooo! Really?

I think you're right, I need another drink. Anyone need anything while I'm at the bar?
I need salted peanuts.
I think we're all at an agree to disagree point here, so let's kick back and have some drinks and get silly. Bartender, I'll take a pint of the dark stuff ;)

Ha, you can't drink a pint of bovril!

(sorry, couldn't resist though I know it was black stuff originally)
Anyone need anything while I'm at the bar?


Do they have nacho's and dip?
zeitigeist is a boy?
*is truly mortally embarrassed but congratulates both barest_smidgen and zeitgeist on their lurve*
Hey, I'll be the designated driver - (another Pepsi, please) No worries, folks - you'll all have a safe ride home... or wherever!
Paul :) /me switches to root beer. And, yeah, I would be replacing Ben in the Ben == Glory equation, apparently. Thanks for the kind words of congratulation and thanks nixy for steering this thread in a fun direction :D
Oh, m'cookies. You're a love. You're like a dear, sweet, den-mother to us all. Try my best not to throw-up in your back seat, promise. Hmm... Back seat with zeitgeist...? Nice. *considers retracting Dantes-filthy-limerick ban, gets more and more crass/overt with the innuendo as the frosty mugs drain.*

zeitgeist is a boy?

Oh my, yes. Let me assure you. *wicked grin*
Can't pass up any (flimsy) chance to quote Spaced ;)
Salted peanuts and nachos. Check. There's a big bowl o' wings coming, too, -- everyone, dig in!
Paul --

Brian: I see at as a tribute to Christo, the artist.
Tim: I see it as a waste of Baco, the foil.

Hmm, reminds me that I'm out of Jaffa Cakes as well... *checks pocket to be sure*

/me wanders over to sit by barest_smidgen, grinning. "So, I've been working on triple-entendres..."
Oh my, yes. Let me assure you. *wicked grin*


There's just no escaping disturbanceville on this site, is there?

(did I mention I'm happy to be here? ;-)).

RambleOn623: thanks man!
*is truly mortally embarrassed but congratulates both barest_smidgen and zeitgeist on their lurve*

I'm confused now.....so Barest_Smidgen dumped Electricspacegirl for Zeitgeist who had an affair with Ben? Tha's just so wrong! Wait, and who is Glory then? I don't want any surprises when I make my move on her. (Uh besides her probably squashing me as a bug that is...)
LOL...

ETA -- thanks all for turning this thread around and bringing it back from the scary place.
(Uh besides her probably squashing me as a bug that is...)


...um, and by her, you mean, Rogue Slayer.

ETA:
There's just no escaping disturbanceville on this site, is there?

Sorry, friend. LOL. Can't be reasonably held responsible once that wench starts pulling the Newcastle Browns...

[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2005-10-11 22:08 ]
Busted! Mmm, Newcastle... *bites lip thoughtfully, looks at root beer*

and for Paul:

Duane: See Tim, that's the difference between you and I. Organization. Careful thinking. Forward planning. And that is why I sleep in the arms of a beautiful woman and you spend your evenings alone in your bedsit. With cheap porn.
Tim: It's not a bedsit. It's a flat.
[Shoots Duane in the groin]
...um, and by her, you mean, Rogue Slayer.

Foul lies! She does not squash me like a bug! She just administers regular whippings behavioral correction sessions. But those are for my own good....

There's just no escaping disturbanceville on this site, is there?

Why, whatever do you mean?;-)

[ edited by EdDantes on 2005-10-11 22:12 ]
Oh, Dantes, I have no doubt our own Rogue Slayer could and would "squash you like a bug" should you make your move on Glory, as advertised above. (Plus, she's way prettier than you.)
...and apparently stronger (see squashing like a bug). The sessions are for your own good, Ed :)
Why, whatever do you mean?;-)


I don't know...there was something...*munches on nacho*...nope, can't seem to remember...*swallows nacho*...something to do with zeitgeist and glory...in newcastle?...*takes another drink*...but I forget...
...and apparently stronger (see squashing like a bug).

Hate to state the obvious but that's what I get for hooking up with a rogue Slayer..... There are perks too though. (See Faith's speech to Spike;-)

something to do with zeitgeist and glory...in newcastle?...*takes another drink*...but I forget...

Can't have been important anyway. (*Steals a nacho*) So, did you hear about electricspacegirl and barest_smidgen??
I think I'll join in if I may. Pint of bitter, please.
I heard it was ESG and Spangel ;) (that'll get her to respond). Actually I saw her agreeing with Ed on something (which is an obvious cover up...) so I think Ed's repeated barest_smidgen/esg-shipping is a smokescreen for more misdeeds on his part for which Rogue Slayer will squash him (or if he's lucky, See Faith's speech to Spike;-))
Ooh, ribald comments, drunkenness, and debauchery. Much better than the upper 2/3 of this thread :-)
here's to many more happy hookups for any and all whedonesquers – ESG, B_S, Z, glory, ben....
*grins as she thinks of husband in next room....*
Can't have been important anyway. (*Steals a nacho*) So, did you hear about electricspacegirl and barest_smidgen??


*puts bowl of Nacho's in the middle*...I don't mind sharing....so, anyway, ESG and barest_smidgen, huh? Had not heard about that. Tell me, what do they have to do with Glory?

I heard it was ESG and Spangel ;) (that'll get her to respond). Actually I saw her agreeing with Ed on something (which is an obvious cover up...) so I think Ed's repeated barest_smidgen/esg-shipping is a smokescreen for more misdeeds on his part for which Rogue Slayer will squash him (or if he's lucky, See Faith's speech to Spike;-))


Does anyone else's head hurt right now? Or am I just having a really early hangover? And why am I suddenly thinking of champagne?
GVH, that's because I just opened the finest 2005 vintage champagne you could ever hope to taste. Want some?
Ah, yes, that must be it, Lioness. Sure, pour me some. *holds up champagne glass* (...now where did that suddenly come from?)
"And why am I suddenly thinking of champagne?"

Perhaps because it's both Faith-dressed-as-Buffy, and the hair-of-the-dog you're after, GVH..? ;)

And as for me and electricspacegirl sittin' in a tree? That's just you dirty boys indulging in an all-too-common slo-mo fantasy about girls and pillow fights. Surprised that that your drunken musings are so pedestrian -- figured y'all for something way more niche and genre than that. >;D I guess it's like our girl Faith says, "Scratch the surface of any granola-type dude? Naughty nurses and horny cheerleaders." hehe.

No, no. esg's a great girl, but as our girl Faith also says, I 'drive stick' and am otherwise engaged. ;) As, it sounds, is she. Now. Where is she??

Oh, and dear God, Lioness. Pass me some of that, if you please. That's what i'm talking about...

[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2005-10-11 23:01 ]
(...now where did that suddenly come from?)

ah, the magic of the thread ;) Haha, now I am imagining Xander's slo-mo pillow fight dream!

...thinks barest_smidgen tastes like Newcastle now.
Here you go.*glug glug glug*
Don't forget Xander's 2 girls in the back of the icecream truck dream.
*puts bowl of Nacho's in the middle*...I don't mind sharing....so, anyway, ESG and barest_smidgen, huh? Had not heard about that. Tell me, what do they have to do with Glory?

*much munch*, well see, after Zeitgeist ran off with Principal Snyder....

Does anyone else's head hurt right now?

Heh, read this entire thread over again in one go. It'll knock ya out. Btw aren't you in Holland? What're you doing still up?

I guess it's like our girl Faith says, "Scratch the surface of any granola-type dude? Naughty nurses and horny cheerleaders." hehe.

I find the nurses and cheerleaders vastly overrated. I prefer domineering, leather-clad Slayers and evil lawyer women...;-)

No, no. esg's a great girl, but as our girl Faith also says, I 'drive stick' and am otherwise engaged. ;) As, it sounds, is she. Now. Where is she??

We chased her off with our raunchiness...

Oh, and dear God, Lioness. Pass me some of that, if you please. That's what i'm talking about...

Uh, I thought you 'drove stick'? Hey GVH, have you heard about Smidgen and Lioness??
I was talking about CHAMPAGNE, you filthy bugger. Champagne. And speaking of domineering --

*saves friends the trouble of saying it, grabs zeitgeist by the sweatshirt hood, tugs him off the bar stool and goes to get a room* C'mon, love. Upstairs with yeh. NOW.
Really? Tell me more!
Edited to add, Barest! Where are you going??

[ edited by Lioness on 2005-10-11 23:20 ]
Bye all, :) *disappears double-time*
What? Did somebody say Spangel? Yeah I'm up for that. But you totally lost me with your last sentence there ZG. Are you saying that Ben and Glory have some kind of connection?
Ah well. Can't stand in the way of true love. Hmm. EdDantes?????Whacha doing way over there?
*peeks back around the corner, still holding on to z's hood* There's our girl! Are you sticking around for a drink, electricspacegirl? 'Cuz me and zeitgeist can wait down here for another round if you're gonna get caught up on the conversation whilst you've been away from the black and tell us all about what the hell you've been up to. Dropping the happy-bomb up there above and then ducking out to leave me to fend for the salicious rumors about us two... what's that about?!? Spill, girl. Spill.

[ edited by barest_smidgen on 2005-10-11 23:32 ]
I was talking about CHAMPAGNE, you filthy bugger.

Honest mistake...;-)

And speaking of domineering -- C'mon, love. Upstairs with yeh. NOW.

(* badly imitates 70's porn music*)

Ah well. Can't stand in the way of true love. Hmm. EdDantes?????Whacha doing way over there?

Hm? Oh, nothing, just wondering if you're gonna change into Ben or zeitgeist as soon as I mosy on over there. I've had no luck today!
ROTLOL. This thread just kills me. Now EdDantes is right, I'm in Holland, so though I'd love to stay and play some more, I'll have to turn in now. *permanently hands over bowl of nacho's to Ed and empties champagne glass* Can't be hung over when I start interviewing scientists again tomorrow, now can I?

Enjoy the rest of the party (it'll probably go on all night). Later everyone *waves*. I'll drop by tomorrow, and see if anyone needs help cleaning up.
*starts sweeping up peanut shells and carrying glasses back to the kitchen while being amazed at how quickly minds and topics went south*

*is QUITE gleeful at this turn of events and considers her work done now*
Good job ruthless1! That was fun.
Wow, you guys are freaks!
*runs away laughing*

;)
I see that I didn't participate in The Love Thread because I was down in the dumps about being loverless. But I can read it all now 'cause I'm happy. :)

So give! We've all been celebrating your happiness.
double post?

[ edited by electricspacegirl on 2005-10-12 01:02 ]
Ruthless1 throws the best parties.....Hey, *hic* where're my nachos?
Aw, EdDantes. You ate a bunch of the nachos and then spilled the rest. Don't you remember? When you were up on the table? And balancing them on your head whilst reciting your limerick? And then, GVH fell off his stool laughing and they got all stuck to his fleece? And you tried eating them off his sleeve until ruthless1 swatted you with her broom and announced "Last Call?" No? Man, you are all lit up like a Christmas tree. Hop in the back behind m'cookies, and she'll get you home. You'll want to take a big glass of water, a handful of aspirin and some VitB with you, if you can make it up to bed.

'Night all. Good times with cold ale and good friends. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye. So, before we go... whadya all think about that guy in Washington who gave away all those tickets to the BDM? *ducks*
lol, glad to see this thread carried on in it's debauchery whilst I was out. Thanks for the quotes zeigeist, I think I shall watched Spaced sometime this week now :)
*nix raises head from the floor*
What happened? Youch my head, ack...cotton mouth.
Where is everybody? What happened last night?

"Last Night was an A1, tip-top, clubbing, jam fair. It was a sandwich of fun, on ecstacy bread. It doesn't get much better than that. I just wish sometims I could control these F**KING MOOD SWINGS!"

Why is Paul wearing that yellow hat?
*nix falls asleep again*
Tim: She's shallow, Brian. She's like Cordelia out of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and latterly Angel, the spin off series which is set in LA.
Brian: Don't know what you're talking about.
Tim: Brian, you're such a square!
*peeks in*

*puts on some music*

*starts cleaning up*

*puts a blanket over nixygirl and sweeps around her*

*picks up bits of broken champagneglass and peanuts*

*mops up champagne*

*takes a last look around, turns off lights, tries to wake up nixygirl and fails, leaves and closes door*
nixy, nixy wake up!! What did I miss?

Wait a minute - it looks very tidy in here! Did you get GVH to clear up after the party *again*? Was there any good goss? (gossip that is, not gossi, not that I have anything against you, gossi!)

Man, I miss all the cool parties!
Oh hey Cat! Yea, ahmmmm...I remember Absinthe and bees.
The rest is a haze.
*wipes eyes*

There was the lurve thread, Ben and Glory...someone was cranky for a while..then everything went black.
*looks around*

Whoa! Place is clean. That was a mighty fine Shindig thread!
Sleep now.
*nixy rolls over*
Tim: You're scared of mice and spiders, but oh-so-much greater is your fear that one day the two species will cross-breed to form an all-powerful race of mice-spiders who will immobilize human beings in giant webs in order to steal cheese.

I was worried that might happen in the wreckage of last nights hootenanny but thankfully GVH cleaned up and saved us all. *Phew*
I woke up under the table with a mouth full of cotton - thank you very much EdDantes for the shots! I definitely am sure I DON'T look like Eliza this morning! urgh.

Thanks to ruthless1 (and for the successful redirect!) and GVH for cleaning up!
Hope you all slept well :)

I remember Absinthe and bees


"Bernard! I ate your bees, Bernard!"
I do remember a rousing chorus of the Jayne song, but maybe that was just me...
Hee hee Z got my ref!
Even with a hang over!
:D "The only thing that will bring me inner peace is a beard seeking missile!"
Be on the look out for things that make you laugh. If you see nothing worth laughing at, pretend you see it, then laugh.
psssst...anyone out there?
*furtive look around at the cleaned up place*
Anyone want to come back over to my place for part Deux? But this time I have a pot of soup on to balance the alcohol. Who's in for tonight?
I'm in! What kind of soup?
:D Funny you mention this, I was just reheating some of the Tuscan White Bean stuff that I made last night!
Yay! Soup party!!
Not to be overthrown by the Soup Nazi Party, that's a whole different regime.

"I like your beard, it's like a little bird."
Bernard: I've never said it before because I'm too nice, but your son has the cold, dead eyes of a killer.

----or----

Manny: Do you think I should wash my beard?
Bernard: I think you should, yeah. You should wash your beard, then shave it off, nail it to a Frisbee and fling it over a rainbow.
Manny: Aww, no-one ever rings me these days.
Bernard: Yes, it's a mystery isn't it? What with you owning your own sandals and having an egg in your beard.
Huh?? You guys are having a secret converation. No fair. I'm going to tell!
Hehe sorry Lioness, you can blame nixy and zeigeist (though I guess I've been propagating it as well so take some of the blame). Most of the quotes come from a UK tv show called Black Books (very funny and rather mad show) though earlier there were some Spaced quotes as well (even funnier and probably even more mad UK sit-com).
There are threads on the flicker about Spaced:
Here and here and there are threads about both Black Books and Spaced on Whedonesque.org. Hope that clears things up for you :)
Paul, that was the other line I was really tempted to post :)

Evan: Yeah I'm young, people look at me and say there goes Evan he's a cool guy, he listens to the Stereophonics and rides a scooter - LETS SEE HOW FAR WE CAN PUSH HIM!

----and----

Twist: Why Brian? I happen to like going out! It's important for me to be seen out!
Brian: Yeah, well I don't want to go out, I want to stay in.
Twist: Oh, and have sex! That's all you want to do, I'm not just here for one thing! Why can't you see me as a whole?
Brian: I do.
Twist: A whole Brian, with a 'w'!
Brian: Oh.
I love that Twist/Brian quote, it's one of my favourites from the show. Not sure what that says about me but it can't be good :)
Thanks Paul_Rocks. I feel better now.:-) ;-)
OI OI OI You lucky people!

Bilbo Bagshot: I used to know this guy, Minty. He had a dog who he'd train to attack rich people. He was into the whole class-war thing. He called the dog Gramsci after an Italian Marxist. Rumor has it, it could smell wealth from up to 20 feet. The thing is, it all backfired. Minty won 100 grand on a scratchcard and Gramsci bit his knees off.
Tim: That's terrible.
Bilbo Bagshot: Not really. He used the money to buy new knees.

--------or-------

FRAN: You don’t look right, and what’s going on with the shop and where’s Manny?

BERNARD: Him, he left, he left like I knew he would. That’s what people do when you love them and nurture them and take care of them.

FRAN: You mean you sacked him

BERNARD: There may have been an incident, possibly involving a kitchen item and a hand. And maybe the hand was Manny’s and maybe the item was a sandwich toaster, and maybe I introduced them to each other.


But my all time favorite quote is from Spaced and it's a deleted scene between Bilbo and Tim.

Tim: So what did you do last night?
Bilbo: Watched Bladerunner...had a wank.

Ah, so good. Now I think I am fairly well over my hangover to start another round. OK my shout. Who wants what?
I'll just have a Smithwick's or summink then I need to tie up some loose ends and catch a plane :)
Lioness - I am SO sorry. The soup got burned and the coppers have come and yanked our licence to sell spirits! I've just returned from virtual jail. We'll have to have an appeal at the magistrates and try to reopen again later. I'll try to time it once again to redirect fannish misbehavior!
Don't think twice about it ruthless1. Without Zeitgeist here to keep us in check, it might be better not to have any alcohol about.
I love this site. The latter part of this thread is going to rank right up there with The Love Thread (TM) and Ben/Glory thread as one of my all-time favourites. I'm sorry I missed the party - sounds like a really good one - and I have soup at home (Tomato- Zucchini from my garden!). Oh, well, next time I'll bring dessert.
Damn, I missed the party and now I missed the after-party!

Double damn!Send some invites next time, people, please!

samatwitch - I'm all in for the dessert idea.
Sorry guys. It just happened. We were trying to sweeten up someone, it didn't work and we quite disfunctionally broke out the alcohol instead.
Ah Disfunction...my old friend, how I love thee!
How did I miss this thread the first time around? It sucks to currently have limited Internet access.

The Grateful Dead toured for decades. I managed to catch a few shows, as did so many lucky others. I like to imagine this fan is like someone at a Dead show who "gives a miracle". Lots of Deadheads showed up looking for a miracle, asking for a miracle, at every show.

Because a miracle at a Dead show is when someone else gives you a free ticket.

I love that man! How many days do you think he brightened? How many new Joss Whedon fans were drafted that day? (Of course, it will take awhile for some of them to realize it.) How many people were introduced to a darn fine writer?

Yhst man was doing nothing short of spreading the word. The Good Word. Joss'Words. Good words that are completely separate from real life religious and political and social events and drama, but sure do remind of us of all those important things, don't they?

Artists inspire us to think. Well, they do if we appreciate their works. I think that fan was nutty as hell. But I love what he did because I love who he shared people with. He gave them not just Serenity tickets but exposure to Joss Whedon. Now where's the bad in that? It's like an upscale version of free books for underprivilged children. I think that fan rocks.

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